Didi71
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Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:27 am

Hello everybody.

I am waiting impatiently for the release of Windows 10 onto the Raspberry board.
My questions are:

1) There will also be a license (for a fee) for a commercial usage?
2) Someone has already used Raspberry for industrial purposes? Pros and cons?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:32 am

You need to address the first question to M$ as its their product.

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:34 am

Didi71 wrote:Hello everybody.

I am waiting impatiently for the release of Windows 10 onto the Raspberry board.
My questions are:

1) There will also be a license (for a fee) for a commercial usage?
2) Someone has already used Raspberry for industrial purposes? Pros and cons?

Thanks in advance.
https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/ ... pi2support

As far as I can ascertain the RPi2 will be a ARM Development Platform Board, similar to the Intel Galileo x86 Development Platform Board


https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/ ... am-for-IoT ""This program is restricted to noncommercial development""
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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:40 am

For all practical purposes, there is no Windows for the Pi.

And there won't be for the foreseeable future.
And some folks need to stop being fanboys and see the forest behind the trees.

(One of the best lines I've seen on this board lately)

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:08 pm

Joe Schmoe wrote:For all practical purposes, there is no Windows for the Pi.

And there won't be for the foreseeable future.
You are wrong: https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/ ... pi2support

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:14 pm

Didi71 wrote:
Joe Schmoe wrote:For all practical purposes, there is no Windows for the Pi.

And there won't be for the foreseeable future.
You are wrong: https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/ ... pi2support
I linked that in my post, please reread my links, it is not for commercial use nor is it Windows Desktop or Phone ;)
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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:18 pm

Didi71 wrote:
Joe Schmoe wrote:For all practical purposes, there is no Windows for the Pi.

And there won't be for the foreseeable future.
You are wrong: https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/ ... pi2support
Didi, be aware that that page you are pointing to is not talking about Windows 10 Desktop. It may be talking about Windows 10 iot. These two products could be very different... we believe "iot" might be just some very minimal windows which will allow the Raspi to run very minimal Windows applications. There may not even be a display mode.

And all of this is total guesswork until Microsoft actually release it...

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:20 pm

Oh yessss.
I totally agree.

Thanks.

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:27 pm

Ravenous wrote: There may not even be a display mode.
According to Eben, there should be. “It is a headed device, HDMI primarily at the moment but then LCD panels in due course.” Not a full desktop though.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02 ... interview/

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:31 pm

Sleep Mode zZ wrote:
Ravenous wrote: There may not even be a display mode.
According to Eben, there should be. “It is a headed device, HDMI primarily at the moment but then LCD panels in due course.” Not a full desktop though.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02 ... interview/
I can't see that in the article you have linked:
“What we’re talking about here is Windows 10 for IoT [Internet of Things]; there hasn’t been a statement about capabilities,” Upton explains. “We’re not necessarily talking about PowerPoint or the Windows desktop. Microsoft will make a statement on what exact capabilities they plan to bring to the device fairly soon.”
“Visual Studio is the other big thing. There’s good tooling, because they have the mindset of Raspberry Pi as a device that you deploy to, rather than Raspberry Pi as a standalone computer. There is nothing to touch Visual Studio. Having Visual Studio as the development platform for appliance-like use of Raspberry Pi is really cool.”
“It’s a maker pro kind of thing,” says Upton. "People see Raspberry Pi as essential to enabling the growth of that maker pro world. The pitch from Microsoft is they’ve got great tooling to get it started and then they’ve got a trajectory with the Azure stuff that means you’re not going to end up reinventing the wheel, probably insecurely … I’ve drunk an enormous amount of Kool-Aid by the sounds of it.”
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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:32 pm

Didi71 wrote:
Joe Schmoe wrote:For all practical purposes, there is no Windows for the Pi.

And there won't be for the foreseeable future.
You are wrong...

Didi, the first thing you have to learn is that I am never wrong.

The key in the above post is "for all practical purposes".

Also see: Mark Twain's story about how many legs a dog has… [*]


[*] For reference:
  • Q: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
  • A: Four. (Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.)
This story has broad applicability in the fields of computers and the marketing thereof.
And some folks need to stop being fanboys and see the forest behind the trees.

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:40 pm

BMS Doug wrote:
Sleep Mode zZ wrote:
Ravenous wrote: There may not even be a display mode.
According to Eben, there should be. “It is a headed device, HDMI primarily at the moment but then LCD panels in due course.” Not a full desktop though.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02 ... interview/
I can't see that in the article you have linked: [...]
Search for it (F3). The quotation is from the article.

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:04 pm

Didi71 wrote:2) Someone has already used Raspberry for industrial purposes? Pros and cons?
Sorry, in all the excitement I forgot to mention this.

Some people have used it. The foundation have said before they don't mind you building RPis into hardware which you then sell, as long as you don't actually try to trade on their trademarks or claim any endorsement by the foundation. I think you're responsible for your own reliability testing, etc. of course.

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:12 pm

Joe Schmoe wrote:
Didi71 wrote:
Joe Schmoe wrote:For all practical purposes, there is no Windows for the Pi.

And there won't be for the foreseeable future.
You are wrong...

Didi, the first thing you have to learn is that I am never wrong.

The key in the above post is "for all practical purposes".

Also see: Mark Twain's story about how many legs a dog has… [*]


[*] For reference:
  • Q: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
  • A: Four. (Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.)
This story has broad applicability in the fields of computers and the marketing thereof.
There is going to be a version of Windows for the Pi, which for the use for which it is intended will be fine. Therefore there is a practical purpose for it.

Ergo, you are wrong in your statement. Anyone who thinks they are always right, is always wrong in one very important point.

Whether the practical purposes for which this version of Windows is intended matches up with what YOU want is irrelevant.
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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:46 pm

Heh heh…
And some folks need to stop being fanboys and see the forest behind the trees.

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Re: Windows 10 commercial usage license

Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:50 pm

Now if I'd said that, I'd be out on my ear, again....
Don't judge Linux by the Pi.......
I must not tread on too many sacred cows......

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