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Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:04 pm

The wiki link is normally at the top right of the page.

I can't see it anywhere under raspite or prosilver ! ?

Which way did it go ? :o

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:23 pm

It's been removed for the moment, as there were issues with the way the wiki had been hijacked (Look at the contributions rules, although they may have changed)
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:58 pm

The self-elected "RPWC President" has long left ...
but that does not change that the Wiki is often outdated and
sometimes horribly formatted. I would like start on the
most-referred aticles first ... i only need time.

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:18 pm

ghans wrote:The self-elected "RPWC President" has long left ...
but that does not change that the Wiki is often outdated and
sometimes horribly formatted. I would like start on the
most-referred aticles first ... i only need time.

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Ah, he's gone then. Didn't know. Not sure what the Foundation plans are re: the Wiki then.
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Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:38 pm

If the RPi hub on the eLinux wiki is 'deprecated' by the Foundation, then -

1) perhaps regular 'helpers' like myself could be informed so that we don't send people there;

and

2) what alternative is there for resources like 'troubleshooting' or 'editing config.txt'?
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:27 pm

Well done - those of us that have worked for a while to improve the wiki will feel really pleased with that. Out of date, maybe, but then so is lots of other contributions all over the internet - even the Foundation getting started guide :D

Your comment about contributions is also out of date, both formally (i.e. the Hub link to the "Council" has been clarified a while ago) and in reality - the Council never did have any teeth; those of us that cared just ignored it.

The Foundation should be aware more than others that there is so many things that can be done with the Pi that any attempt to document them all will take a lot of effort. Perhaps this marks a change where the Foundation does make some statement of acknowledgement on the wiki, dodgy data excluded.

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:39 pm

Specifically the "verified peripherals section" has been hijacked by resellers recently. That might have something to do with the depreciation. :|

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:29 am

To deprecate.

To depreciate.

Two different verbs, two different meanings.

Because we are not all native English speakers, shades of meaning can be significant.
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:26 am

Oh! I dunno... depreciate seems appropriate if mahjongg's assertions are true. Something is only deprecated, when replaced by something newer and better (hopefully). Mahjongg says that the hardware list has been hijacked by resellers, and if this is true and they are advertising stuff that may actually not work at all, then I would see the value of the list has been reduced, i.e. depreciated.

Seems quite appropriate to me. :)
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:47 am

SimonSmall wrote:Well done - those of us that have worked for a while to improve the wiki will feel really pleased with that. Out of date, maybe, but then so is lots of other contributions all over the internet - even the Foundation getting started guide :D

Your comment about contributions is also out of date, both formally (i.e. the Hub link to the "Council" has been clarified a while ago) and in reality - the Council never did have any teeth; those of us that cared just ignored it.

The Foundation should be aware more than others that there is so many things that can be done with the Pi that any attempt to document them all will take a lot of effort. Perhaps this marks a change where the Foundation does make some statement of acknowledgement on the wiki, dodgy data excluded.
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:46 am

Interesting about the hijacking. However, with the link gone, just get ready for an order of magnitude increase of the same questions being asked over and over again. It is bad enough that many people are too lazy to search for things themselves or don't know how to bypass the useless search engine on this forum. Well, at least the wiki information can still be pointed to. For the months while waiting for my pi when it was first introduced, I read every single line, topic and link on the wiki/elinux and followed most threads on this forum. I am on my third pi without any issues whatsoever, other than caveats of the pi that I can't fix and are out of my control, but I know about them because of what I read, and have issued workarounds. I certainly do not have any of the many problems I see on these forums because others do absolutely no planning or research. As bad or outdated as it may be, I consider the wiki to be the only pis useful user manual at the moment. But it is a wiki, so anybody can add incorrect information and it can easily become outdated, so I combine what I see there, the forums, and on the web to made an educated decision about what I am going to buy, how I am going to hook up something, or what/how I am going to program something. In addition to the wiki, there really needs to be a screened version of this information in a locked down, no user contribution web site, especially for new users; and yes, I understand that this takes manpower (or womenpower).
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:02 pm

The link to the Wiki dissappeared from the foundation's home page months and months ago, it hasn't only just happened, and I don't think there was an appreciable increase in calls for help. It is still available for reference, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first stop for newbies I don't think.
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:53 pm

http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
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Check the wiki pages at http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard for more information, or ask in the forums, where there are lots of helpful Raspberry Pi owners, users and fans who will be more than happy to help you out. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/
I think it only recently was removed from the Forum view the header is not the same as on the front page just a copy of it but my memory is faulty at times.
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:26 pm

malakai wrote:http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
I still have more questions!

Check the wiki pages at http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard for more information, or ask in the forums, where there are lots of helpful Raspberry Pi owners, users and fans who will be more than happy to help you out. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/
I think it only recently was removed from the Forum view the header is not the same as on the front page just a copy of it but my memory is faulty at times.
No, it was a few months ago that it disappeared from the front page, as I remember emailing Liz about it.
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:39 pm

DeeJay wrote:To deprecate.

To depreciate.

Two different verbs, two different meanings.

Because we are not all native English speakers, shades of meaning can be significant.
Well, I'm certainly not a native speaker of the English language myself, (I'm Dutch, as I have not hesitated to mention in the past) but in this case I did mean the opposite (antonym) of appreciate, that is depreciate.

I don't think I'm saying too much if I claim that Liz doesn't appreciate the recent avalanche of commercial edits in the Wiki, and the passive attitude of other editors not stopping this misuse of the wiki, which never was intended as an advertizing instrument.

Still as the removal of the Wiki link in the header was months ago, there does not seem to be a direct correlation, rather it seems it has something to do with the fact that currently the raspberry PI doesn't have its own wiki, which has negative implications, for example when searching not only PI related stuff turns up, which is frankly confusing for many users. Perhaps they are looking for a better solution.

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:54 pm

the recent avalanche of commercial edits in the Wiki, and the passive attitude of other editors not stopping this misuse of the wiki
The problem with a wiki, and wild accusations like this, is that the wiki keeps all the history of changes, and I don't see evidence of this in the Raspberry Pi section of the wiki. There was a brief upload of information about another embedded board, seemingly from a distributor, but it looked to me as legitimate board and expansion information rather than abuse. If anyone has a problem with the wiki, it is easy to report it to Wmat (administrator) who seems very reasonable to me.

The advantage of the current wiki, to me, is that the other boards on there complement the Pi for those that want to experiment with circuits and control systems (not something for me, at the moment). There are quite a few boards, and a lot of information on them to help people use them, although I have not followed this too closely.

If users search the wiki, just like searching the internet, the wrong search term will get a bunch of hits that may or may not be what they are looking for. I can't see how the wiki would be worse than the internet in general. When the users picks a page on the internet, they might find a one year old blog page, valid back then but now outdated. The blog cannot be changed; the wiki can. A well patrolled wiki can counter bad edits. Trying to distance yourself from the wiki will just lead to less involvement and your fears may be realised because of your actions.

I don't intend to analyse posts to the forum to see if there is a correlation of any sort over the dropping of the wiki link. There are lots and lots of posts covering a few common issues for the new users; bad power supplies, bad SD cards / image flashing and the initial set up to name 3. The SD card set up, troubleshooting and config pages of the wiki have these covered, but still they come up on the forum and many responses do not mention those pages

If you are concerned, it would be useful if you would create a new thread so regular editors can express their intentions and others can point out problems. I don't think it would take much to sort out the pages that new users would need, and the foundation wouldn't have to keep updating a beginners guide as things continue to change rapidly

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:57 pm

SimonSmall wrote:
the recent avalanche of commercial edits in the Wiki, and the passive attitude of other editors not stopping this misuse of the wiki
The problem with a wiki, and wild accusations like this, is that the wiki keeps all the history of changes, and I don't see evidence of this in the Raspberry Pi section of the wiki.
No evidence of it?

i specifically mentioned http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals, and that once commercial free page now has 18 direct links to, plus numerous mentions of, thepihut.com in about all product categories!

And just last week about six or so new links in quite close proximity to each were added to another reseller www.pi-supply.com just for (you guessed it) power supplies. :evil:

None of these edits have been challenged, or even discussed in the talk page.
I have to confess that I didn't remove any of them either, as doing so would just start an edit war, (between suppliers, who would want to get "first dibs" for the best advertising spots) and It would be more fruitful if we can somehow officially condone this conduct.
Also, I don't object about pointing out specific (well working ) devices, but I do object if its suggested you can only buy it from a specific reseller, specifically if there are also questions about how objective the choices are. that is the difference between simply a helpful link, and turning the page in to a free advertising tool for (a) specific reseller(s).

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:38 am

In case anyone was wondering, links to and mention of thepihut.com and www.pi-supply.com (and other spammers?) have apparently been removed from http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals. So I hope that means the page is now back to its more useful form as I refer people to it all the time.
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:43 pm

Any chance the Wiki will reappear as a link under the Rescources heading.

You Know This Wiki http://elinux.org/RPi_Hub the one that was so useful to direct Noob's too so we did not have to write humungously long forum posts the nice place where stuff could be edited as things changed a first stop for Pi related quiries.

Just looking for an Update here A lot of Noob's did find this a useful rescource. 8-) YES me included I was an RPi Noob once.....

Yes the Verified Periferals page ws abused so put it under Mod lockdown with changes by submited request with specific rules about no advertising. ;)

Even more sensible a subsection for Verified Suppliers and let them edit themselves up their own fundiment.
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:52 am

Unofficially ;) I believe the official position is that the Wiki now contains lots of info which is out-dated or incorrect (e.g. no-one's updated http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory or http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals yet with details of the B+ or the ComputeModule) and any official info can be found on:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/
http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/
http://www.raspberrypi.org/resources/

Contributions from users are welcomed, but checked for accuracy before being published http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentatio ... IBUTING.md

(I also asked if there'd be a link added back to the Wiki, and was told no)

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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:58 am

AndrewS wrote:Unofficially ;) I believe the official position is that the Wiki now contains lots of info which is out-dated or incorrect (e.g. no-one's updated http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory or http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals yet with details of the B+ or the ComputeModule)
So the Wiki starts to resemble the full Wikipedia in all its inaccurateness and the Foundation are happy for people to thrash about in Google trying all sorts of random rubbish (Self moderated for a family feel I would normally tend to a shorter four letter word for a pithy feel).

Go figure.

At least with an official link to a common Wiki you would have the full mass of the forum looking for inaccuracies in one place. ;)
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Re: Where did the Wiki link get to ?

Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:13 am

Scroll down to the section in this post on Documentation; you'll find an explanation there.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/welcome-to-our-new-website/
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