Andyroo

Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:57 pm

Sorry but this does not look safe to me...

https://the-parallax.com/2019/08/12/def ... ic-pegleg/
Pegleg v2 is built on a Raspberry Pi Zero W, and as portable computers small enough to be inserted under your skin go, it’s relatively large. It’s 2.56 inches long, 1.18 inches wide, and 0.196 inches thick—about the size of a Hershey’s mini chocolate bar.

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Re: Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:10 pm

I'm British. I understand British humour. It appears I don't understand US humour.

Andyroo

Re: Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:15 pm

I actually think they are serious...

Just thinking about the security risks gives me the shivers!

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Re: Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:20 pm

Going to be fun replacing the SD card when it corrupts itself or goes permanently read only.

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Re: Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:43 pm

A Pi0/Pi0W isn't actually that much bigger--perhaps twice--than a modern pacemaker. On the other hand, a modern pacemaker includes a battery that's good for 7 to 15 years...

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Re: Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:05 pm

I thought the battery in a pacemaker was guaranteed for life 🥺



Sorry
It has been my custom to use Xeyes

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Re: Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:16 pm

Tibbets has had 20 to 30 implants, almost all of them self-insertions.
nudge nudge wink wink..

so now we can have Internal Area Networks too ;)

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Re: Ouch

Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:05 pm

paulie wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:05 pm
I thought the battery in a pacemaker was guaranteed for life 🥺
The life of who or what?

Seriously, I can speak from secondhand experience. The cardiologists have you come in every 6 months the check the pacemaker. The check include the current battery status. There is a set point--well before the battery runs out--that they'll go in and replace the unit, including a new battery.

What I'd like to find out is what they're using for control unit. My best guess is that it's a well tested MCU, but just try getting that information out of the manufacturer.

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Re: Ouch

Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:44 am

What's really interesting is the FDA cannot control it because it is outside their purview.
I will bet someone is now lobbying Gov to legislate against this because the big companies will want to make money from this somehow.

Implanted memory chips, yes please, it will help with my old brain trying to contain everything I have been learning on PI's.
What size chip do you need for the Encyclopedia Britannica?
But I want a memory chip that has many millions rewrites not a few hundred.
I can wait for graphene based ones.

It probably won't be Pi cased chips as they are a bit power hungry.
Low power NFC, FPGA based bio chips?
Could probably design those on Pi's now with the latest free FPGA software.
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Re: Ouch

Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:16 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:05 pm
What I'd like to find out is what they're using for control unit. My best guess is that it's a well tested MCU, but just try getting that information out of the manufacturer.
Medtronics have at times reported using custom silicon based around old 8-bitters like the MC6800 with a cut-down ISA and reduced peripheral blocks which are just enough to do the job.

But, given tales of how pacemakers and other implants are hackable, open to adverse attacks, I would guess some are using more general purpose, more traditional, COTS components.

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Re: Ouch

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:16 pm

One of the top technical guys at ARM has a processor IC die implanted under his skin just to prove it can be done. Not sure it does much - just RFID and so on - but they wanted to prove it was possible.
Please write out 100 times "Linux is not a real time operating system so I will not suggest it is"

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Re: Ouch

Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:04 pm

It is not as safe as I expected too.

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Re: Ouch

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:14 am

We have been microchipping our pets for a decade or more.
A human gets microchipped and it is news?
Use a bigger chip and it is still news?
Use a ridiculous chip the size of a Pi Zero or pacemaker?

The interesting thing is the DIY aspect.
Remember the scenes in Blade Runner, the biolab kiosks and hack shops.
This is not being done in hospitals etc, it's 2019 the same year as Blade Runner.
Science Fiction becoming real in our lifetimes, that's interesting.
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Re: Ouch

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:12 am

You have not been paying attention. Science Fiction has been becoming a reality ever since I can remember, certainly since Sputnik went up, no doubt before. My father, born in 1914, would have said much the same.

Back then I was soon convinced the human race would go the way of the Krell before then end of my life. Pretty much everyday now I become convinced that my child hood prediction is on schedule.
Memory in C++ is a leaky abstraction .

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Re: Ouch

Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:18 am

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:14 am
We have been microchipping our pets for a decade or more.
A human gets microchipped and it is news?
Kevin Warwick was the first human to get microchipped in 1998.
Well before it was done to pets.

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Re: Ouch

Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:53 pm

rpdom wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:18 am
Kevin Warwick was the first human to get microchipped in 1998.
Well before it was done to pets.
You need to take everything he says with a huge pinch of salt. Pets were microchipped at least 2 years before he had his temporary implant. There is a database of adverse reactions to pet implants and that goes back all the way to 1996.

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Re: Ouch

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:25 am

trejan wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:53 pm
rpdom wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:18 am
Kevin Warwick was the first human to get microchipped in 1998.
Well before it was done to pets.

You need to take everything he says with a huge pinch of salt
. Pets were microchipped at least 2 years before he had his temporary implant. There is a database of adverse reactions to pet implants and that goes back all the way to 1996.
As is the usual case, self publicists tend to exaggerate a tad ;) .

Andyroo

Re: Ouch

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:37 am

Goes earlier than that, Microchips Australia was founded in 1989 using Trovan Unique microchips...

This report from 2007 (Washington Post - possible paywall) has comments from all over regarding the risks.

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