Wyke
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Slow web browser

Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:59 pm

I am trying to get back and learn about this pi I bought about 5 years ago ...it has two usb sockets..so that make it version 2? Or model B ? Not sure .
I got operating system working and now have a hd monitor.
The browser is very slow ...chromium......any ideas how to speed up .....please remember..I am slow ....don’t understand lots of the tech words😳

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Re: Slow web browser

Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:08 pm

Wyke wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:59 pm
I am trying to get back and learn about this pi I bought about 5 years ago ...it has two usb sockets..so that make it version 2? Or model B ? Not sure .
I got operating system working and now have a hd monitor.
The browser is very slow ...chromium......any ideas how to speed up .....please remember..I am slow ....don’t understand lots of the tech words😳

https://raspi.tv/2018/new-raspberry-pi- ... us-zero-wh

The original Raspberry Pis are similar in specification to the Zero, therefore not suitable for web browsing.


You can set an CPU overclock via raspi-config which may help a little:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... -config.md
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Wyke
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Re: Slow web browser

Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:59 pm

Many thanks for your prompt support.....does that mean I cannot use it for web browsing...do I need to buy a new pi ....or continue to use my iPad for browsing?
Thanks again

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Re: Slow web browser

Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:49 pm

Wyke wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:59 pm
Many thanks for your prompt support.....does that mean I cannot use it for web browsing...do I need to buy a new pi ....or continue to use my iPad for browsing?
Thanks again

Maybe a very minimal Linux Operating System like Tiny Core, would be better ???

http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.ph ... ,57.0.html
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Re: Slow web browser

Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:10 pm

I think its a model RPI1B (c)2012
if that is so, then I also have one... used as a Kodi Media Player

as a web browser unit .... you can... but its very very slow.... thus not really recommended....
even if you max out the overclock settings....
better get a new RPi for that, at least RPi3B+, better if RPi4B (if you can get it already).

if you do get RPi3B+, better boot it via SSD, and make a swap file of at least 1000MB, then you'll get much better experience.
this is the setup on this RPi3B+ am using to browse the internet and write to this forum. also watch a lot of youtube videos on this setup.
"Don't come to me with 'issues' for I don't know how to deal with those
Come to me with 'problems' and I'll help you find solutions"

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Wyke
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Re: Slow web browser

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:00 am

Thanks for the guidance.....but remember me...I am the slow one ! Just to translate . Does that mean I get another sd card and download a different operating to it and then run that ? If so ...would someone please guide me to where I download from.

Sounds like good advice fro Toledo ....but I understand very little of the last paragraph to benefit from it without further guidance.

I have heard of a kodi ..but not sure what it is .
Thanks

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Re: Slow web browser

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:57 am

I clearly have a lot to learn ...I tapped on the link for tiny core ...and it went to a mobile app ...do these run on a pi ? How do I do that ?

Thanks again if any one still with me !

:(

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Re: Slow web browser

Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:02 am

Wyke wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:00 am
...but I understand very little of the last paragraph to benefit from it without further guidance.
when you get a new one... come back and we'll guide ya'

Suggested parts list:
1. Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ (RPi3B+)
2. at least 60GB SSD (Solid State Drive), any brand will do. (examples are from Sandisk, Crucial, Silicon Power, etc)
3. SATA to USB 3.0 cable adapter (preferably Eluteng Blue or Black, Inateck UA1003, etc)
4. Power supply Unit 5v 2.5A (no phone/tablet/whatever chargers please!). If you can get the RPF Power Supply then much better, guaranteed peace of mind.
5. Case designed for the RPi3B+, better with some heatsinks and/or fan ( or just get the FLIRC case designed for the RPi3B+)

assuming you already have the following
1. USB keyboard and Mouse
2. HDMI monitor (or your HDMI equipped TV)

optional if monitor has no built in speakers: a set of powered speakers
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Re: Slow web browser

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:55 pm

I can confirm Chromium runs very slow to the point of unusable on my 1B.

However - there are other web browsers! Dillo works well on the 1B. I would have suggested Midori but it doesn't seem to run on the latest operating system (Raspbian Buster). However, if you've never updated the operating system, it did work in previous OSes. It may be installed by default - it is on the latest OS. You can find if it's already installed by typing "midori" (without the quotes) on the command line.

If you don't get a screen, install it using Add / Remove Software.
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Re: Slow web browser

Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:11 pm

Wyke wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:57 am
I clearly have a lot to learn ...I tapped on the link for tiny core ...and it went to a mobile app ...do these run on a pi ? How do I do that ?
Well you said it!

I click on that link and it takes me to the Tiny Core Linux forum index page. No mention of a mobile app anywhere.

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Re: Slow web browser

Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:45 pm

The latest browsers are very cpu/graphics intensive, only the new Pi4 has reasonable performance.

However text based browsers will work on old Pi's.
TinyCore is very nice on the old Pi's but it is not a beginners OS, some assembly needed.
Great bunch of guys though to help with issues.
I found the Fifth browser the best middle ground but it needed the Pi3's.

The advantage with Pi's, changing OS is just a SD card swap.
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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:10 am

Wyke wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:57 am
I clearly have a lot to learn ...I tapped on the link for tiny core ...and it went to a mobile app ...do these run on a pi ? How do I do that ?

Thanks again if any one still with me !

:(

Why do you need a Mobile App it is not an Android / iOS device.


You have a Raspberry Pi Single Board Computer:

http://tinycorelinux.net/9.x/armv6/releases/RPi/

TinyCore uses the Dillo Web Browser....
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Wyke
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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:11 am

Wow 😮....looks like a great project but funding this would take a few months in terms of financial situation.
Also feel a bit reluctant that my pi would then be redundant?
Is there really no other way just to web browse ? Thanks again for your support and guidance.

Wyke
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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:25 am

I managed to update the OS last week so yes ...I think it is Buster .
I went to preferences add remove software...it came up with midair-7.0-2 ..I then click apply ...but nothing seems to happen ....do I need to go to the terminal bit and do something to load it or download it ...again ...not sure.
Still trying ...thanks

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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:26 am

Wyke wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:11 am
Wow 😮....looks like a great project but funding this would take a few months in terms of financial situation.
Also feel a bit reluctant that my pi would then be redundant?
Is there really no other way just to web browse ? Thanks again for your support and guidance.

To whom or what are you responding to, no one in these replies have suggested any financial outlay, except buying a newer Raspberry Pi.

This whole thread now smells of Trolling....

...I am out of here life is to short :roll:
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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:34 am

Feed the trolls?

Well a new PI4 will cost.

But PiCore with the TC desktop and text browser will work on your old one.

You might even be able to go old school and use Lynx without the desktop.
Yep it's in the repo, only 647KB.
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/9.x/armv6/tcz/

Dillo is there too, but you will need the TC desktop.
If you had an old Pi2 - Arm7 you could use the Fifth browser.

Apart from the Pi4 the only other cheap way I know to browse is a cheap Smart phone.
My Pi4B1 is fine for browsing and YT windowed.
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Wyke
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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:39 am

I have now got a blue + and go to apply but now tells me that the password is wrong..using pi and raspberry?
Is there a different user / password for thi functions?
Thanks again

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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:00 am

PiCore uses different user and password.
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Wyke
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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:04 am

Thanks for responding....what does Picore mean ....and how do I find user and password to progress please?
Thanks

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Re: Slow web browser

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:05 pm

As others have said, the original Pi isn't really suitable for web browsing.
If you want to try doing it, open the "Run" menu from the menu, and type 'epiphany' in. Epiphany works better on the original Pi than Chromium.

Note: Epiphany is extremely slow on newer Pis
My setup:
Raspberry Pi 3b+ running Raspbian Buster, firmware date July 9 2019 (via PINN)
Kingston 32 GB class 10 (U1) SDHC card
Lexar 16GB flash drive for backups
pi-top 3 with drivers and pi-topHUB 2.0

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Re: Slow web browser

Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:50 am

The answers you seek are here.
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/9.x/armv6/releases/RPi/
README

The Core book is very useful but not completely accurate when it comes to Pi's
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ports.html

Wonder how browsers go on a Zero W, I've never tried.

PiCore is the Pi version of TinyCore.
I use it on all my 24/7 connected devices, one is upto 301 days uptime.
They reset on power failures and just keep on working, more than 4years now?

I just tried latest Buster on a 3B+, Chromium is much better now.
Might be worth trying Buster?
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Re: Slow web browser

Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:22 am

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:50 am
...
Wonder how browsers go on a Zero W, I've never tried.
...
Painfully. Some sites load but others just kill performance so bad I’ve had to pull the plug :shock:
Midori is better but a Zero is not for me as a GUI box normally.
Need Pi spray - these things are breeding in my house...

Wyke
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Re: Slow web browser

Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:24 am

Many thankS for continued support
I got Midori on with a terminal command apt-get install Midori .... :D
But still slow
So I tried the epiphany at the Run command ...a little better but beginning to understand that my pi is not suitable.
I would be interested to learn what is different between a terminal command and run command .
Looks like I need to invest in a more recent pi .. if I want to web browse ?
Thanks again for continued patience......not sure why someone called me a troll ? Not sure what one is

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Re: Slow web browser

Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

On the Pi forums a troll is usually a first time poster who complains about how useless and slow Pi's are ;)

I just checked latest Buster on a Pi3B+, web browsing is not that slow anymore.
A Pi4 is still better, but a 3B+ is usable.

Terminals are Linux screens where you run text based commands.
They can even be run on a different computer using things like ssh via a network.
In the old days a terminal was a real thing.
A screen with keyboard connected to a big commuter via a serial cable.
Commonly called dumb terminals because they had no CPU inside them.

That serial cable option still exists on Pi's via the GPIO pins, that's called a serial console port or UART.
The new Pi4 has 5 UARTS so it is similar to that old big computer, it could talk to 5 dumb serial terminals ;)

Could you use that old Pi via network and VNC software to use a browser running on a newer Pi?
I don't know.
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Re: Slow web browser

Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:19 am

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am
On the Pi forums a troll is usually a first time poster who complains about how useless and slow Pi's are ;)
......... and someone refusing to answer questions and just keeps posting nonsensical dribble...........
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