Two is a very small value of multiple !
PeterO
Two is a very small value of multiple !
(Historically) I'm also a user of multiple desktops (2 or 3) usually (currently) on my Debian-based Brix m/c (Desktop 1 being the Brix, and 2 or 3 being where I'm connected to via PuTTY or VNC to one or more Pi's. Whilst I can switch between VGA/HDMI on the TV/Monitor and a USB KM switch between the Brix and a Pi (usually the P3B+ these days) that's not always convenient. In my R&D days I sat at a workstation (UNIX and then a PC) on which I did all the "mundane" things but all the real work was on remotely networked, more powerful UNIX boxes or, prior to my retirement, a Linux Cluster which might need just a "pop-up" on the current desktop or (because of multiple pop-ups from de-bugging tools etc.) a separate desktop. Of course most of this was prior to the current flat-screen display technology (
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# hostnamectl
Static hostname: daedalus
Icon name: computer
Machine ID: 2b6d3561a62f494090324f08d46df348
Boot ID: 564044b96c1140dbae46c6f8b5b857c7
Operating System: Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
Kernel: Linux 4.19.50-v7+
Architecture: arm
More "hidden" than disabled. obconf is needed to set the number of desktops, and the desktop pager just needs to be added from the panel applets list.FTrevorGowen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:20 pmI've assumed, perhaps wrongly, that the capability had been "disabled" by default, but could be re-instated (by the user) if required.
Trev.
You do realise, just from that screenshot, how untypical a user you are?
That depends on your normal environment. In the development environment I used to work in that was a common scenario, multi headed machines with multiple desktops. To see a single desktop was unusual.spl23 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:34 amYou do realise, just from that screenshot, how untypical a user you are?
So they don't use them ! But your desire to stifle diversity and enforce conformity is disappointing
The fact is that only a tiny fraction of users use multiple desktops - on Pi, as on other systems like Spaces on MacOS. Some people , like you, find them very useful, but that doesn't mean they are useful for everyone. Most people simply don't want them.
How does something that's not even visible until you enable it "cluttering up the system" ?It's not UI design "dogma" - it's focussing on making the features that are used by the majority of users as accessible as possible, and removing the cruft that is only of interest to a minority which otherwise clutters the system for everyone else.
What I find annoying me is that you say things like "we removed multiple desk top support" when in fact you haven't (It still works) which seems to be trying to deny people the choice of using them.
If you want multiple desktops, go ahead and set them up - I'm not stopping you; all the components are still present in the system. But if you think that a taskbar that looks like yours would make Pi easier to use for the majority of users, then I have to say I think you could not be more wrong...
This seems to have got lost !
I have had reasonably good experience with 'Windows 10 (WoA)-1803' on Raspberry Pi3B and that is a 64 bit OS. Now I am on Raspberry pi 4 (4GB RAM) and would like to use that 64 bit OS.
You need to talk to Microsoft, Windows is their baby, so they are responsible for getting it working on the Pi4.
So no flashing of the LED's at all?mpsnet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:05 pmI have downloaded latest updated "2019-06-20-raspbian-buster-full.zip" file. After flashing to sd card, I inserted it to my Raspberry pi 3B+. But it is not booting. Two LEDs (green & red) are on in fixed state.
The card is perfect, if you save the previous version, it works normally
Unfortunately, the older pi's will not start with the new OS. When the OS starts it starts to loop ( I tried two pi's both 3B)
Hmm, works fine in our testing on all models. Is this a upgrade to the SD card from Stretch, or new installs? We do not recommend upgrades as they can be unreliable.
It has now appeared
No, I downloaded the image and put it the pi. An old version ( 2019-04-08-raspbian-stretch ) works perfectly. I'm now trying your earlier advice to re-download the image and see if that works.jamesh wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:22 pmHmm, works fine in our testing on all models. Is this a upgrade to the SD card from Stretch, or new installs? We do not recommend upgrades as they can be unreliable.
I've spent almost as much time testing the image on a 3B as I have on a 4 - it definitely works on earlier Pis! As James suggested, it's probably a bad download or bad flash to your SD card.
I downloaded again. This time the zip file directly and it works now perfectly. It indeed looks like a bad download. Thanks for the advice. Problem solved
Thanks. All three torrents seem recognized by the tracker now.ShiftPlusOne wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:43 pmRan out of time before getting to look into the torrent issues today. Will take a look tomorrow.
I found that as well, confused me for a while.ralphrmartin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:37 pmOne quirk I noticed on upgrading - it left php7.0 there, as well as installing php7.3. I had to manually set up apache2 to use php7.3 instead of php7.0, then remove all of the php7.0 stuff.
Not to my knowledge. It's probably theoretically possible to tell PCmanFM to only show the contents of the Desktop folder on one monitor, but it would be a code change, not a config change. I'll put it on the list of things to look into at some point, as I can see why it is annoying...
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+ iwconfig wlan0 power off
Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) :
SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
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pi@raspberrypi:~ $ more /tmp/rc.local.log
+ hostname -I
+ _IP=192.168.1.29
+ [ 192.168.1.29 ]
+ printf My IP address is %s\n 192.168.1.29
My IP address is 192.168.1.29
+ sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off
Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) :
SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
pi@raspberrypi:~ $ iwconfig
wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"JR1"
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: F0:9F:C2:D7:A7:A9
Bit Rate=72.2 Mb/s Tx-Power=31 dBm
Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Power Management:on
Link Quality=48/70 Signal level=-62 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:5 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
lo no wireless extensions.
pi@raspberrypi:~ $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off
pi@raspberrypi:~ $
Thanks.spl23 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:12 pmNot to my knowledge. It's probably theoretically possible to tell PCmanFM to only show the contents of the Desktop folder on one monitor, but it would be a code change, not a config change. I'll put it on the list of things to look into at some point, as I can see why it is annoying...