fruitoftheloom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:27 pm
MuntyScruntfundle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:04 pm
I should add a caveat.
There are many imgs available for the Tinker, for my tests I was trying to keep the OSs as close as possible. Rasbian being a Debian branch, it seemed appropriate to put Debian on the Tinker.
TinkerOS is actually a fork of Debian ARMHF developed by Asus
TinkerOS is not really a fork.. It's likely that they use rockchips rk-rootfs-build script (
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rk-rootfs-build) with some adjustments. A qemu, debootstrap script.. More or less similar the way raspian gets built.. It grabs the packages from debians repository and you're done (okay.. raspian has it's own repo due to backwards compatibility)..
kingbily wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:12 am
Getting Gigabit Networking on a Raspberry Pi 2, 3 and B+ tl;dr You can get Gigabit networking working on any current Raspberry Pi (A+, B+, Pi 2 model B, Pi 3 model B), and you can increase the throughput to at least 300+ Mbps (up from the standard 100 Mbps connection via built-in Ethernet).
that's not GbE... And to work reliable, flow-control on the other side is needed.. If you want the 300Mb just buy the 3b+ it's overall the better bet than 'upgrade' a old one with a GbE adapter...
MuntyScruntfundle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:01 pm
The Tinker drawbacks however are pretty considerable. The Raspian OS is well developed, constantly updated and improved, the support is good and the forums are second to none. None of these can be claimed for the Tinker, support is patchy and you're reliant on a branch of Debian that doesn't appear to be very well looked after.
I wouldn't agree on this one.. The tinker crew maintains it own forum (iirc started as a community founded forum now officially maintained by ASUS but not sure).. There are other debian/ubuntu flavored distros which support the tinker as well. Most of the issues people have with SBCs are more or less generic debian/ubuntu issues.. You could ask in the RPi forum and quite often the solution would also work for the tinker or any other arm SBC except a few hardware hacks (e.g. camera, hw accelerated de-/en-coding, gpio related stuff). So support isn't an issue for the tinker. Kernel support neither (for multimedia you're stick to RKs 4.4, for everything else mainline support is decent - mine started as a small git server with 4.15 now at 5.0-rc2, sticking to development branches of my distro cause I now how to fix a broken kernel/DT on the conservative side it would be a 4.19... ). The only drawback the tinker has are the same as the Pi (except GbE

) powered through a microUSB (and RK3288 is even more powerhungry and USB2 is shared on all 4 ports, don't know if they partly fixed it for the S model but the SoC isn't capable of more than 3, one otg two master and unlikely that they fixed it).. And the small heatsink provided to the TB is just a joke - thermal throttling happens to early cause the A17 32 bit cores tend to get hot under load..
Gavinmc42 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:49 am
By the time Pi4 is out aarch64 on Pi3B+ will be solid and very mainstream.
Unless RPF adds very weird stuff to the Pi4 it should just run a (or many) 64bit OS's from day one.
on the assumption that a Pi4 will still use VC4 otherwise.. go back to field 1...

and if they do so, most of the limitations of the VC4 are still here (e.g. ram limitation, single USB2).. But that's all speculative... and jamesh doesn't like speculations about a PiX
Gavinmc42 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:49 am
Everything will be better and faster?
Likely not.. a 64bit OS tends to be memory hungry (compared to 32bit) and the RPi is on the low-end towards memory anyway.. One of those 64bit users here ever compared Raspian with a 64 bit OS in terms of performance?