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Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 1:18 pm

Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

I mean if the Raspbian is on it.
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 1:47 pm

shrewdgamer wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 1:18 pm
Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

I mean if the Raspbian is on it.
No. The stationary speed will still be near to zero.
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 2:40 pm

Ernst wrote: No. The stationary speed will still be near to zero.
Are you joking?

Will installing Raspbian to an external SSD make it work faster?
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 2:50 pm

shrewdgamer wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 2:40 pm
Ernst wrote: No. The stationary speed will still be near to zero.
Are you joking?

Will installing Raspbian to an external SSD make it work faster?
No, the processor will still work at the same frequency.

Btw. I am not joking, try to formulate your question to get a useful answer.
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 3:02 pm

Yes no maybe possibly

Yes - disk access will be quicker
No - memory / io will be the same boot time will be longer
Maybe - programs that are disk or swap space bound may run faster
Possibly - network access may be slower if you bottleneck the usb hub used for the network chip and ports

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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 3:06 pm

Andyroo wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:02 pm
Yes no maybe possibly
In other words: a definitive maybe
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 3:12 pm

Ernst wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:06 pm
Andyroo wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:02 pm
Yes no maybe possibly
In other words: a definitive maybe
Don’t put words into my mouth unless they are in icing on a cake :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would go as far as a possibly I think well maybe urmmm

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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 5:40 pm

As ever, it depends.

We don't have enough info to tell you on what it depends.

My Raspberries with high speed spinning things run way better; as it's possible to use a spinning thing for swapping.

Haven't got as far as replacing spinning things with solid state thing.
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Fri May 24, 2019 9:45 pm

have not tried adding an SSD drive to a microSD boot setup, as I have migrated from microSD boot to USB boot (thumbdrive/HDD/SSD) on my RP2B v1.2, RPi3B, and RPi3B+ units.

As boot drive SSD boots a bit slower
however, system responds better after that (if this is the same as "speed up" in your mind)
even with this type of desktop.....
myRPi3B+Desktop.jpg
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creating a big swap file on the USB boot drive (HDD/SSD) made this possible

my take.... still a definite maybe!


however...I definitely can use the RPi within 2 minutes after boot-up... unlike a cold booted i7 7th gen equipped Win10 pc
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 8:00 am

LTolledo wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 9:45 pm
have not tried adding an SSD drive to a microSD boot setup, as I have migrated from microSD boot to USB boot (thumbdrive/HDD/SSD) on my RP2B v1.2, RPi3B, and RPi3B+ units.

As boot drive SSD boots a bit slower
however, system responds better after that (if this is the same as "speed up" in your mind)
even with this type of desktop.....myRPi3B+Desktop.jpg

creating a big swap file on the USB boot drive (HDD/SSD) made this possible

my take.... still a definite maybe!


however...I definitely can use the RPi within 2 minutes after boot-up... unlike a cold booted i7 7th gen equipped Win10 pc
Thanks for your reply. Is it responsive or sluggish?
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 8:04 am

my desktop image above? yes its still quite responsive despite the "clutter"....
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 8:05 am

shrewdgamer wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 8:00 am

Thanks for your reply. Is it responsive or sluggish?
Neither. It does not make a real difference.
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 9:49 am

Having experimented with all booting options, except netboot, the quickest to boot up is a micro SDHC card, mainly because the RPi always checks for it first.

However, once booted I prefer a SSD, HDD, micro SDHC, pendrive, in that order for their responsiveness.

(I use RPi3B/3B+/3A+)

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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 12:12 pm

LTolledo wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 9:45 pm
have not tried adding an SSD drive to a microSD boot setup, as I have migrated from microSD boot to USB boot (thumbdrive/HDD/SSD) on my RP2B v1.2, RPi3B, and RPi3B+ units.

As boot drive SSD boots a bit slower
however, system responds better after that (if this is the same as "speed up" in your mind)
even with this type of desktop.....myRPi3B+Desktop.jpg

creating a big swap file on the USB boot drive (HDD/SSD) made this possible

my take.... still a definite maybe!


however...I definitely can use the RPi within 2 minutes after boot-up... unlike a cold booted i7 7th gen equipped Win10 pc
Wow, something is wrong with your Windows10 setup (or bios). My 4th gen i5, on same age SSD, longest delay is having to select myself and login with a pin code.


To the OP, it depends what uSD card you are using now, that is if you are meaning with respect to programs opening and it booting up.

The actual Pi will still chug through things at the same speed.

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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 2:12 pm

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Sun May 26, 2019 12:12 pm

Wow, something is wrong with your Windows10 setup (or bios). My 4th gen i5, on same age SSD, longest delay is having to select myself and login with a pin code.
Have any of you timed yourself from cold boot Win10 (not from coming from normal "shutdown" but from shutdown /f /s ) to actually typing the letter "A" on the first cell of newly opened Excel 2013 sheet? For me it takes a least 8 minutes.....from pressing the power button to typing "A".

I can have that in less than 2 minutes in my SSD boot RPi3B+ and LibreOffice Calc....

and on the same RPi3B+ I've just been watching a lot of HD videos on youtube (in a 6-tab Chromium) for the last 6 hours.... plays videos smooth.... and still responsive.....

(was "battle testing" my just upgraded RPi3B+ from PiFi DAC - DIY amp combo to Suptronics X400 v3.0)
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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 4:34 pm

The only Windows machines I have any real experience with (I'm not counting my wife's Win10 laptop, as I don't use that) are the Windows 7 PCs in the library. They take 5-10 minutes to boot to the login page, and another 3-7 minutes from login to being able to fire up Chrome or IE. Shutting down takes another 3-5 minutes - when you can get them to shut down - some don't have a shutdown option, just "log off" which reboots eventually. If you hit the power button at just the right time you can catch it before it starts booting back up.

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Re: Will adding an external SSD speed up Raspberry Pi?

Sun May 26, 2019 8:19 pm

What do you think /f /s
s is the user shutdown iirc (normally used on remote screens), /f is just not to ask to close programs.

And yes, though with newer Office versions.
It's quick, excel takes longer, but then it checks for update.

Win7 takes a while as win10 improved this process and you'll probably be sat on old harddrives.
Also if it's networked it could be copying profiles etc.

By the way, I'm not saying the Pi3 is slow, it's not with my decent uSD card it is fast, again the login is the longer process in all of it.and finding the button to click to open a spreadsheet.



My Windows10 on a Win7 era AIO Intel T4500 (a laptop style CPUs) and old mechanical.eco discdrives does take quite some time, but that's older than the Pi itself.


EDIT just did a boot up, from wherever my son shut it down from
47.75 seconds

then from shutdown /f /s (which logs the user profiles out)
50.26 seconds.

That is from pressing the button on the case, going through BIOS (not set to it's fastest boot options iirc)
Windows loads up, spinning icon, checking it's update it needs to install etc
Clicking on my profile from the list, typing my pin code in, takes some time as it has the daft picture you need to get out of the way.
Clicking the Excel icon in the taskbar (not a habit as I don't use it often)
Excel Office 365 ProPlus opens I select blank sheet. (the longest part is probably me moving the mouse and clicking as it's not a habit)

But that's pretty fast in my eyes for everything it has to load, moving the mouse and typing takes time. I wasn't rushing, did it like normal. and moving between the stopwatch and back.
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