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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:48 pm

Thank you for the tip :)

But I am still curious about what the update might contain, is there anywhere one can see a change log? :geek:

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:05 pm

This isn't quite a bug... In order to fulfill being a desktop computer replacement, printing is required. I've been using HPLIP on my 3+ quite successfully to use our wireless HP printer, but the add/remove software HPLIP doesn't support Buster (Version 3.18.12). HPLIP has now released a version that does work with Buster (3.19.8) but it won't install manually on a model 4, failing in the make despite many attempts to work around the problem. Any idea when the updated version or HPLIP will be available via the add/remove software?

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:29 pm

I second wpballa1's request. It's been frustrating trying to get HPLIP to install. I get an error message about Debian10.1 not being supported.
Did I mention that I love my Raspberry Pi(s) :D. Amazing power from a tiny device.

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:49 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:22 pm

Code: Select all

sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
sudo reboot
full-upgrade? I've not seen this mentioned before. How is it different from dist-upgrade which I've always seen mentioned and have been using.

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:51 pm

dist-upgrade and full-upgrade are synonymous.
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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:15 pm

wally333 wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:49 pm
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:22 pm

Code: Select all

sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
sudo reboot
full-upgrade? I've not seen this mentioned before. How is it different from dist-upgrade which I've always seen mentioned and have been using.

http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xen ... apt.8.html

https://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get
Retired disgracefully.....

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:33 am

Didn't realise that this had already been released three months ago! I remember when Jessie was brand new :D

Is there a 64-bit version for the Pi 4, especially since the Pi 4 4GB variant will likely run faster if it has a 64-bit OS to work with?
If apples give you apple pie, bananas give you banana pie, pears give you pear pie, and cherries give you cherry pie, then what do raspberries give you?

A Raspberry Pi :lol:

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:06 am

ChasTech wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:33 am
Didn't realise that this had already been released three months ago! I remember when Jessie was brand new :D

Is there a 64-bit version for the Pi 4, especially since the Pi 4 4GB variant will likely run faster if it has a 64-bit OS to work with?
Its a common misunderstanding that a 64-biit version will runs significantly faster. This is not true, the speed difference is insignificant.

there are unofficial 64-bit releases you may try, but they are not as well supported as Raspbian.

As long as the RPF still sells hardware that only can run 32-bit its unlikely they will switch to 64-bit.

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:45 pm

mahjongg wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:06 am
ChasTech wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:33 am
Didn't realise that this had already been released three months ago! I remember when Jessie was brand new :D

Is there a 64-bit version for the Pi 4, especially since the Pi 4 4GB variant will likely run faster if it has a 64-bit OS to work with?
Its a common misunderstanding that a 64-biit version will runs significantly faster. This is not true, the speed difference is insignificant.

there are unofficial 64-bit releases you may try, but they are not as well supported as Raspbian.

As long as the RPF still sells hardware that only can run 32-bit its unlikely they will switch to 64-bit.
Well to be fair Raspbian was only made because Debian armhf didn't support the original Pi's ARMv6 architecture but armel didn't utilise it to its maximum capability. Debian arm64, however, is compatible with the Pi 3 and 4's ARMv8 processors and with u-boot to emulate UEFI and GRUB2 as a EFI bootloader, not many changes should really be required to get Debian arm64 running on 64-bit Pi's, but all the packages are compatible with the Pi 3 and 4 provided it is running Debian, so 64-bit Raspbian would surely just be unnecessary because of Debian.
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A Raspberry Pi :lol:

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Re: STICKY: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:17 pm

ChasTech wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:45 pm
Debian arm64, however, is compatible with the Pi 3 and 4's ARMv8 processors and with u-boot to emulate UEFI and GRUB2 as a EFI bootloader, not many changes should really be required to get Debian arm64 running on 64-bit Pi's, but all the packages are compatible with the Pi 3 and 4 provided it is running Debian, so 64-bit Raspbian would surely just be unnecessary because of Debian.
None of that fancy boot stuff should be required. The 64-bit kernel already works with the current bootloader.

The things that would need upgrading to 64-bit are all the Pi specific/modified packages that use things the standard Debian releases don't support yet.

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