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Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:56 pm
by trejan
Farnell and RS have been the main manufacturers/distributors since the beginning. Not even sure if it is even possible to remove their ability to sell direct or act as a distributor without a lengthy contract renegotiation. Even if it was easy to do, you'll be severely annoying your main manufacturing partners which isn't a good idea. Raspberry Pi Trading only makes the Pi 4 1GB, Pi Zero and Pi accessories like the camera.

Are the multiple delays by Newark annoying? Yes but calling for the entire relationship to be drastically changed isn't going to improve matters. All Raspberry Pi Trading can do is pass on your concerns but at the end of the day, it is up to Farnell and RS. We don't have any visibility into their internal processes but the retail branch is going to be separate from the manufacturing branch. Newark might be as annoyed as you are about this if the manufacturing branch doesn't give them enough stock. The people who have to answer order queries definitely will be.

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:21 pm
by drgeoff
I think it would be more accurate to say that RS and Farnell are the ones ordering and stumping up the money to have most (not all) of the RPi models manufactured under licence from RPF or RPT. I don't know what manufacturing facilities those two companies have in-house but it is well known that many RPis come off a production line in South Wales run by Sony, some are made in China and some in S. America. (Though the latter are for local sales for import tax reasons.)

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:12 pm
by W. H. Heydt
drgeoff wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:21 pm
I think it would be more accurate to say that RS and Farnell are the ones ordering and stumping up the money to have most (not all) of the RPi models manufactured under licence from RPF or RPT. I don't know what manufacturing facilities those two companies have in-house but it is well known that many RPis come off a production line in South Wales run by Sony, some are made in China and some in S. America. (Though the latter are for local sales for import tax reasons.)
There is (or was) also a local market manufacturing plant run by Sony in Japan.

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:56 am
by pagenotfound
All of that was probably true in the beginning. Nowadays the RPF should have millions in the bank, can set up production in Japan and Brazil, and have some reputation in the industry as well as among banks. Shouldn't be too difficult to get a better deal.

Also, frankly, producing only 150000 in advance (with most of them 2GB models)...

I guess the underlying issue is that RPF/RPT don't have a clever hard nosed manager near the top who can take care of these matters. From my own experience these people can do seemingly impossible things but it's also dangerous to let them into your company. So I don't really know what advice to give to Eben&Co if they can't do it themselves.

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:05 am
by drgeoff
Sigh! Is there no end to these "know-it-alls" who actually know very little?

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:52 am
by jamesh
drgeoff wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:05 am
Sigh! Is there no end to these "know-it-alls" who actually know very little?
No, there isn't.

So many people who think they know better, when in fact they are ignorant of the facts. For example, does anyone outside of Raspberry Pi, know the reason why there were only '150000' made up front (not the actual number). We know. Anyone out there know why the 2GB version was given priority in manufacture? We know. People can guess if they like, everything so far is pretty far off the mark, but I won't be providing the actual facts.

There are very good reasons why it is the way it is. Now, we may be able to do a something about those reasons in the future. We have a very experienced and good business team, and I am quite confident in them. We really don't need advice from the internet.

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:54 am
by B.Goode
pagenotfound wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:56 am
All of that was probably true in the beginning. Nowadays the RPF should have millions in the bank, can set up production in Japan and Brazil, and have some reputation in the industry as well as among banks. Shouldn't be too difficult to get a better deal.

Also, frankly, producing only 150000 in advance (with most of them 2GB models)...

I guess the underlying issue is that RPF/RPT don't have a clever hard nosed manager near the top who can take care of these matters. From my own experience these people can do seemingly impossible things but it's also dangerous to let them into your company. So I don't really know what advice to give to Eben&Co if they can't do it themselves.



"I guess the underlying issue is that RPF/RPT don't have a clever hard nosed manager near the top "


I think the application period for the vacancy for a Chief Operating Officer is still open.

Will you be applying?

https://raspberrypi.workable.com/jobs/1 ... m=organic

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:46 pm
by W. H. Heydt
pagenotfound wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:56 am
I guess the underlying issue is that RPF/RPT don't have a clever hard nosed manager near the top who can take care of these matters.
You've never met Eben Upton, have you?

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:49 pm
by W. H. Heydt
jamesh wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:52 am
So many people who think they know better, when in fact they are ignorant of the facts. For example, does anyone outside of Raspberry Pi, know the reason why there were only '150000' made up front (not the actual number). We know. Anyone out there know why the 2GB version was given priority in manufacture? We know. People can guess if they like, everything so far is pretty far off the mark, but I won't be providing the actual facts.
The 150K pre-launch was gleaned from the recently posted Q&A by interpolation.

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:29 pm
by cspan
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:13 am
MisterEd wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:12 am
Unfortunately most of us don't live near a Micro Center. The nearest one to me is 3 hours away.
Lucky you. The nearest to me would be a 8 to 10 hour drive.
Unfortunately Micro Center will not let you buy the RPi4 on their online store. They are available at the stores only.
So they're doing that nonsense again.
It's worse than that, at least at the Columbus OH store. As of last weekend, none of the models are on display or available to put in your cart while you shop. You have to ask for them at checkout, and then the cashier goes to fetch it from the pickup counter. I don't know if this is a theft prevention issue or what, but I imagine it probably hurts sales (no impulse purchases).

Seems to me that for theft prevention you could have a bunch of cardboard cards made up that show the product and direct the shopper to bring it to the cashier to buy it, like they have for some items in Costco (and probably other membership warehouses).

Re: When are people in the U.S. getting their Pi 4s?

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:53 pm
by bjtheone
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:53 am
pfletch101 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:53 am
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:48 pm

You might be surprised. One of the research chemists at a company I worked in that era got permission to add an HDD to his PC. He was given a budget of $1000. He was ecstatic when he found a company that was bringing out a new line of HDDs with discounted introductory prices. He was able to get a 15MB drive for $985.
On a similar note, in the early 1980s, I was involved in some high level negotiations between my (clinical) department at a University hospital and the Bioengineering Department about the joint purchase of a 'large' hard disk for our joint use. The beasty in question was about the size of a washing machine, required an air-conditioned environment, and cost nearly $100,000. Its capacity? 80 MB!
IBM 2314: 29MB per (removable) pack.
IBM 2311: 7.25MB per (removable) pack.

Both used 14" platters. The packs for the 2311 were 6 high (10 tracks per cylinder), and for the 2314, 11 high (20 tracks per cylinder). Those were both from the days when the head actuator was hydraulic, though the 3rd party "plug replacement" drives for the 2314 used a voice coil linear induction motor, where the coil was about 4 inches in diameter. Fun times...
From LTX test heads connected to PDP8s with "removable platters"... Fun times, especially when you did not secure the catches properly and launched one across the raised floor, to a (singular) departmental PC with a external 5 MB drive that cost $20,000 for the drive, to running an entire hardware design group's accounts (hundreds of designers) on a Unix box with a 5 disk 10 Gb Raid array, to having a 128 Gb SSD on a Pi as a play toy on my desk that cost under $20 and having 256 GB of storage on my phone.