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Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:12 pm

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:31 pm

"You may only use the Raspberry Pi Logo in connection with the sale or distribution of genuine Raspberry Pi products or services." Which means I technically cannot use the logo in an intro.

Looking at the visual rules, I see that it says that your not allowed to remove the trademark from the logo. Wikipedia seems to have removed it? (My first link)
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:17 pm

DarkPlatinum wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:31 pm
"You may only use the Raspberry Pi Logo in connection with the sale or distribution of genuine Raspberry Pi products or services." Which means I technically cannot use the logo in an intro.

Looking at the visual rules, I see that it says that your not allowed to remove the trademark from the logo. Wikipedia seems to have removed it? (My first link)

Hmm, will report Wikipedia to our trademark people.
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:59 pm

hi DarkPlatinum,

When the Raspberry Pi Foundation first published their trademark rules we determined it was easier to remove all Raspberry Pi logos from our software and website. For a "free" software product is was not worth the risk of possible infringement now or in the future.

Prompted by this thread, I re-read the "Trademark rules and brand guidelines" and will need to revisit our usage of the words "Raspberry Pi" to ensure compliance.

You can see how your mention of Wikipedia has started the "process". You don't want to be at the end of this process. :)

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:43 pm

It's an inherent problem with trademark rules, if you are seen to not be enforcing one one small thing, then you put yourself in a position where you might not be able to enforce them at all. PITA.
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:17 pm

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Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:43 pm
It's an inherent problem with trademark rules, if you are seen to not be enforcing one one small thing, then you put yourself in a position where you might not be able to enforce them at all. PITA.
Yes... Trademarks are hard to maintain and easy to lose. There are any number of them that have become common nouns. Two that come immediately mind are aspirin and linoleum. Writers magazines usually have multiple ads begging writers to use trademarks properly, lest their owners lose them.

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:07 am

Greg Erskine wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:59 pm
You can see how your mention of Wikipedia has started the "process". You don't want to be at the end of this process. :)
I can see how it started the process, but the reason why I mentioned it is because:
1. The website is popular
2. The image can easily be changed.
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:09 am

Hmm...I seem to have used the Pi logo once or twice... Are these ok:

https://html.dynu.net/wp-content/upload ... tiboot.jpg
https://html.dynu.net/wp-content/upload ... ry_Pi2.png (pretty sure need to change this one, just to confirm..)
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:16 am

W. H. Heydt,

What a great word "linoleum". A word I have not heard decades. Or even the once common "lino".

I bet most kids will have to google that. That's how they hoover up information now a days.

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:00 am

DarkPlatinum wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:09 am
Hmm...I seem to have used the Pi logo once or twice... Are these ok:

https://html.dynu.net/wp-content/upload ... tiboot.jpg
https://html.dynu.net/wp-content/upload ... ry_Pi2.png (pretty sure need to change this one, just to confirm..)
You are effectively distriibuting a Raspberry Pi service, and you have retained the R mark, so I would think you are OK. However, IANAL. Once someone is in the office who knows about these things, I will ask. and confirm.
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:40 am

Heater wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:16 am
I bet most kids will have to google that. That's how they hoover up information now a days.
Or they ask their parents ;)
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:44 pm

DarkPlatinum wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:40 am
Heater wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:16 am
I bet most kids will have to google that. That's how they hoover up information now a days.
Or they ask their parents ;)
Or, I fear, their grandparents.

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:52 pm

jamesh wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:17 pm
DarkPlatinum wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:31 pm
"You may only use the Raspberry Pi Logo in connection with the sale or distribution of genuine Raspberry Pi products or services." Which means I technically cannot use the logo in an intro.

Looking at the visual rules, I see that it says that your not allowed to remove the trademark from the logo. Wikipedia seems to have removed it? (My first link)

Hmm, will report Wikipedia to our trademark people.
The Wikipedia editor did not remove the symbol, see here for source and image information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rasp ... i_Logo.svg

The Raspberry Pi web sites use the logo image without the registered trademark symbol included and the files distributed from the trademark page include versions without the symbol. So it's no wonder the wikipedian thought it was OK to use the version provided by the foundation that does not include the visually distracting registered trademark symbol.

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:12 pm

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Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:52 pm
The Raspberry Pi web sites use the logo image without the registered trademark symbol included
Most of the Foundation's references to "Raspberry Pi" are without any (R) or Registered Trademark attribution, such as on the raspberrrypi.org home pages, in their commercial publications, and at the top of every forum page.

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:25 pm

Why should the owners of the trademark, on their own webpage, have to put a (R) on it?

It's people who are not RPF using it that need the (R).

As in law, ignorence of the rules is no defence.
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:33 pm

jamesh,
Why should the owners of the trademark, on their own webpage, have to put a (R) on it?
That is a very good question and one that has been puzzling me for some time.

Even Intel does it, for example:

9th Gen Intel® Core™ S-series processors brief

From Intel's web page here: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... ssors.html

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:34 pm

The registered trademark symbol is not part of the logo anyway.
It is a mark to denote the trademark has been legally registered with a trademark registrar, in this case the words "Raspberry Pi" and the raspberry logo.

It is not legally required to show the mark, nor is it part of the trademark itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registere ... ark_symbol

Anybody using the trademark must comply by acknowledging the trademark owners, for example by adding this line of text or similar:"Raspberry Pi" and/or the Raspberry logo is a/are registered trademark(s) of the Raspberry Pi Foundation
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:07 am

Heater wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:33 pm
jamesh,
Why should the owners of the trademark, on their own webpage, have to put a (R) on it?
That is a very good question and one that has been puzzling me for some time.

Even Intel does it, for example:

9th Gen Intel® Core™ S-series processors brief

From Intel's web page here: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... ssors.html
As has been said by Imperf3kt above, the notification that something is a trademark wherever it is used is not a legal requirement. However, at least in the US, not having a trademark indicator consistently used will often prevent the trademark owner from obtaining the most monetary damages when the trademark is violated. The court will still stop the other party from using it in the future but they may not award the maximum damages. So many US corporations, including the one I work at, will always have a trademark symbol present so that the maximum damages can be obtained. It's similar to copyright with and without registration, if you don't register you can still stop others from using your work but without registration you can't collect any damages when someone does use your work. Additionally it will prevent a situation like this where a Wikipedia editor, most likely a fan of the Raspberry Pi, wants to add the logo to the Wikipedia article and grabs one from the RPF without spending time reading legal requirements for the logo usage.
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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:56 pm

jamesh wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:25 pm
Why should the owners of the trademark, on their own webpage, have to put a (R) on it?
A Registered Trademark owner can of course use their Mark without infringing upon it, do not have to acknowledge that it is a Registered Trademark, but it is common practice to acknowledge Marks as such because, "the Registered Trademark owners don't even acknowledge it themselves" can be a mitigation or defence used in any infringement proceedings.

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Re: Using the Raspberry Pi logo

Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:13 pm

If one person uses the image without the R, the image might be copied (from google images for example) and the whole population will see the image without the R and think it will be fine to use it.
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