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Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:26 am
by fruitoftheloom
frassepe wrote:Will the Zero W do USB boot like the 3B?
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=175864

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:59 pm
by jamesh
fruitoftheloom wrote:
MarkyV wrote:From my understanding from talking to the tech guys at the foundation Pi Zero is not a profit making product - the reason they are in short supply is because they have to stop one of their 3 machines making profitable products (Pi3b) to make a run of Pi Zero (or W) - zero is provided at this price to enable schools etc to be able to afford a classfull of devices on their budget.
RPT (not RPF) are addressing the situation by having the BCM2837 3B (maybe the 2B v1.2 as well) manufactured by Sony Japan, therefore leaving more capacity at Sony Pencoed Wales ;)

http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory
As I posted above, it is not production capacity thing. The Foundation could make millions. And then go out of business because, hey, look, not enough profit. Anyone else trying the same thing would go out of business.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:42 pm
by W. H. Heydt
barton wrote:The backlash is unbelievable and pathetic. I started with a ZX81 because the ZX80 was obsolete/unavailable by the time I could afford one :). The Not-for-profit Raspberry Pi foundation comes out with a better version of the zero for a nominal increase, and people whine. I think a lot of folks are improperly using Pi's for commercial purposes and should either get jobs with viable companies or learn how to design similar systems on their own.
The irony of that is that the just released CM3 is actually substantially cheaper than the CM it replaces--$30 vs. $40 (though $30 in quantity and now lists for $30).

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:07 pm
by mob-i-l
Can one use the FM radio receiver on the Raspberry Pi Zero W? On the Pi 3 I think the problem was that the FM-antenna was not exposed.

Re: PI Zero W - why no info on this site?

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:12 pm
by Mettauk
jamesh wrote:
hippy wrote:
bensimmo wrote:£9.50 is not a lot to pay for the convenience of integrated WiFi/BT
...
A particular advantage is a Zero W can be a USB peripheral while using WiFi/BT.
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The only things which would make it better for me are an external antenna connector ( for which there seems to be solder pads already ), and battery / power management capabilities on-board.
...
It would be nice to buy a new Tesla ...
Anyone know if its possible to add an external antenna to the pi zero w? I saw something to add one on a pi3 to do this but can't find it.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:06 pm
by Paul Webster
mob-i-l wrote:Can one use the FM radio receiver on the Raspberry Pi Zero W? On the Pi 3 I think the problem was that the FM-antenna was not exposed.
That is a good question - the antenna pin was not routed out on RPi3.
I just had another look at a preliminary data sheet for the 43438 and it has clever tricks like making the FM audio available over Bluetooth A2DP

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:10 pm
by bstrobl
mob-i-l wrote:Can one use the FM radio receiver on the Raspberry Pi Zero W? On the Pi 3 I think the problem was that the FM-antenna was not exposed.
I would actually buy one just to make an FM Radio if its wired up :lol: . Surprised the Foundation has not done it till now, even though developing countries are most likely to benefit from it.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:38 pm
by i486
jamesh wrote:12 Million sold.
And how many PiZero?

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:44 pm
by mikronauts
I believe I read the figure of 80k Zero's since its launch.
i486 wrote:
jamesh wrote:12 Million sold.
And how many PiZero?

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:48 pm
by Paul Webster
mikronauts wrote:I believe I read the figure of 80k Zero's since its launch.
Wasn't that 80k RPi0W in first batch?

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:04 pm
by kovacsadam07
Is the gadget mod still works? Or is there a usb hub and in this it's not?

Re: PI Zero W - why no info on this site?

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:11 pm
by linux_author
geoffr wrote:The cost of adding WiFi using a USB adaptor is usually more than $5. - Nevermind WiFi plus Bluetooth, and you still have your USB port free....
not if you can get working USB wifi mini-dongles for less than US$3 shipped (such as on Amazon; i have at least two)

but i am very happy to see this new variant...

Q: Is the form factor for zero cases the same? IOW, will a RPi Zero 1.3 case work with the the Zero W?

tia!

willie
on the sunny and warm Gulf of Mexico

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:14 pm
by fruitoftheloom
kovacsadam07 wrote:Is the gadget mod still works? Or is there a usb hub and in this it's not?
The single USB BUS does not have a Hub attached, which is the same as the previous Zero revisions.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:30 pm
by kovacsadam07
fruitoftheloom wrote:
kovacsadam07 wrote:Is the gadget mod still works? Or is there a usb hub and in this it's not?
The single USB BUS does not have a Hub attached, which is the same as the previous Zero revisions.
How is the wifi and Bluetooth connected?

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:31 pm
by DougieLawson
kovacsadam07 wrote:How is the wifi and Bluetooth connected?
It's an SDIO device.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:35 pm
by kovacsadam07
DougieLawson wrote:
kovacsadam07 wrote:How is the wifi and Bluetooth connected?
It's an SDIO device.
I seeeeeeee, thank you! Such a good news :D

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:35 pm
by mikronauts
Hmm was there a change?

I thought the WiFi was SDIO, and the BT serial?
DougieLawson wrote:
kovacsadam07 wrote:How is the wifi and Bluetooth connected?
It's an SDIO device.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:03 pm
by fruitoftheloom
mikronauts wrote:Hmm was there a change?

I thought the WiFi was SDIO, and the BT serial?
DougieLawson wrote:
kovacsadam07 wrote:How is the wifi and Bluetooth connected?
It's an SDIO device.
Yes I believe you are correct as that is how the 3B is wired:

https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-v3/

Re: PI Zero W - why no info on this site?

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:09 pm
by W. H. Heydt
linux_author wrote: Q: Is the form factor for zero cases the same? IOW, will a RPi Zero 1.3 case work with the the Zero W?
The new case fits both Pi0 and Pi0W.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:14 pm
by W. H. Heydt
mikronauts wrote:I believe I read the figure of 80k Zero's since its launch.
I believe it's 80K made pre-launch and 25K/week production schedule.
i486 wrote:
jamesh wrote:12 Million sold.
And how many PiZero?
Really hard to say. Last Spring the plan was to make 50K Pi0s per month. There have been some recent comments suggesting that the is now 80K per month. So taking everything said or hinted at, total Pi0 production is probably in the neighborhood of 500K to date.

Re: PI Zero W - why no info on this site?

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:46 pm
by linux_author
W. H. Heydt wrote:
linux_author wrote: Q: Is the form factor for zero cases the same? IOW, will a RPi Zero 1.3 case work with the the Zero W?
The new case fits both Pi0 and Pi0W.
tks!

willie
on the Zero-computing Gulf of Mexico

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:27 am
by skspurling
W. H. Heydt wrote:Curiouser and curiouser... Adafruit, the only company that allows on-line orders in the US, isn't listing the non-W Pi Zero at all now. I will be rather disappointed if the advent of the Pi Zero W means that I can no longer get Pi Zeros on this side of The Pond, as I don't live anywhere near a Micro Center.
Micro Center would stop selling them too, as they are brick and morter. They have a tendency to drop products that are variants of a main offering. For example, they droped the A+ rather quickly once the B+ was supplanted by the 2B and the 2B disappeared rather quickly when the 3B appeared.

I wonder if cana kit is now selling the plain zero, or just the W variant?

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:52 am
by W. H. Heydt
skspurling wrote: I wonder if cana kit is now selling the plain zero, or just the W variant?
They were yesterday. But you can order only one of one or the other, but not one of each. Thus, they appear to think that the Pi0 and Pi0W are basically the same product.

Re: PI Zero W info

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:55 am
by jamesh
i486 wrote:
jamesh wrote:12 Million sold.
And how many PiZero?
Very approximately about half a million.

Re: PI Zero W - why no info on this site?

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:04 am
by bensimmo
W. H. Heydt wrote:
linux_author wrote: Q: Is the form factor for zero cases the same? IOW, will a RPi Zero 1.3 case work with the the Zero W?
The new case fits both Pi0 and Pi0W.
I will depend on the case, so no they may not fit.
The PiBow Pi0W case will not fit the PiZero. That's a new case so there must be something fundamentally in the way.
But I cannot see it on the nice picture flip on here
http://raspi.tv/2017/pi-zero-w-wifi-on- ... s-new-case

The x-ray images out there but can't remember where I saw it.