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Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:48 pm

Eben just emailed me this conversation; some guy got hold of his email address and ambushed him in chat. It's amazing just how far people will go to avoid spending $35. (It's also amazing how quickly he descends into making threats to go to the press to expose us for the meanies we are.)

This sort of interaction is, sadly, not untypical for any of us at the Foundation.

I believe there is more to come from Steve, too...Eben says he'll mail it over later so we can all have a good giggle. Enjoy! Oh, and Steve, if you're reading: bog off.

Steve: Hello Eben
Sent at 3:46 PM on Friday
Steve: It's Steve, B.A Applied Math Student
Do you have a minute?
Sent at 3:47 PM on Friday
me: yes
Steve: I wanted to present to my lecturers and administration your computer
I mean the RP
And because I am going to visit my high school too I can show it there too
so if they will be interested then they may buy thousands of units
me: excellent
Steve: Can you please send me sample of model B so they can see it?
me: sorry, I'm afraid we can't provide free samples
Steve: But what I do is a free advertisement for you
what will I get if they will buy thousands?
Sent at 4:02 PM on Friday
Steve: It doesn't cost you 30 dollars, show me please where will you
find free advertisement with potential for thousand units to be sold?
me: sorry Steve - it's foundation policy
Steve: But you are the director
aren't you?
me: I am indeed
Steve: then you can decide
Sent at 4:06 PM on Friday
Steve: Look I see that my offer doesn't interest you. I am totally
respect your decision. There is a similar board that is sold and you
can make it a computer too. They told me that I will get a free sample
for ad purposes.
me: understood - which board are you considering using?
Steve: I can give you the name
but I am not interested, only because I should get the samples soon
their project is similar to yours but offers much more options
small board, computer but for large purposes
If you decide to send me the free sample that doesn't cost you
anything you will get much more.
Sent at 4:11 PM on Friday
Steve: Think that university and a high school and maybe the town I
live in will be interested!
Sent at 4:13 PM on Friday
Steve: If it so difficult for you to send me a sample, to make a
post about this on your blog with a video I will do then I will go to
your competitors who agreed to send me some free samples.
Sent at 4:14 PM on Friday
me: okay, thanks Steve
Sent at 4:17 PM on Friday
Steve: If you don't mind I will publish that conversation to some
press because we were interested how friendly you are to new potential
customers.
Sent at 4:18 PM on Friday
Steve: Eben, I have been second ago with the IT admin who was
interested in your product. He asked me to talk to you and ask for a
sample.
Sent at 4:20 PM on Friday
me: I'm sorry Steve, I can't help you with this.
Sent at 4:25 PM on Friday
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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:52 pm

Eben just called to say the conversation is still ongoing, only Steve has not noticed that Eben has switched to Eliza mode. I am currently wondering who will get bored and wander off first.
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:59 pm

+1 ;-p
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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:59 pm

liz wrote:Eben just called to say the conversation is still ongoing, only Steve has not noticed that Eben has switched to Eliza mode. I am currently wondering who will get bored and wander off first.
Ha, Eliza mode... love it!

Linky for anyone not familiar;
http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html

and good old Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:34 pm

It gets better. Steve's still at it, only now he has decided we are anti-semites.

Steve: Hello Eben
Steve: I think you can but for some strange reason can't even try to
send me a sample. If you wanted to, I am sure you could find the way
to send it.
Sent at 4:41 PM on Friday
Steve: Meanwhile we are contacting the inventor of the board I
mentioned before and I think we will buy the boards from him. You have
a great customer service
me: okay, best of luck with your project
Steve: First time I get such customer service, even Samsung sent us
some equipment for free before we bought it.
Sent at 4:44 PM on Friday
Steve: Maybe be some comments and youtube video we will upload along
with a coverage in press will show you how to treat potential
customers.
me: that's certainly a possibility
Steve: What did we ask from your company?
To send a sample
that's all
It's worldwide practice before buying to send a sample.
Sent at 4:47 PM on Friday
Steve: I thought I am talking to a company who knows about worldwide
standards and treats people who may transfer thousands and hundreds of
thousands of dollars.
We are amused here, all of us
me: understood
Steve: And what does it mean?
We don't need your understanding we want to know what is the reason
not to send a sample.
Sent at 4:50 PM on Friday
Steve: You are the director. You can order your people to send us
the sample as ad. compaign.
campaign*
Sent at 4:52 PM on Friday
me: I can, but I don't see anything to indicate that sending you a
sample will result in sales of enough units to cover the cost of the
sample
Steve: What do you want to get if you will send the sample?
Sent at 4:53 PM on Friday
me: I would need to be convinced that there is a credible prospect
of a significant number of sales.
Steve: Ok but if you will send me this sample
I will show it in my university and high school
Firstly they need to connect it and see what they can do with it.
To test it in various laboratories.
And to see if it is good enough.
If yes, lecturers have grants and they can buy your product.
me: I understand the pitch, I'm just not interested, sorry. The
foundation doesn't send out free units.
Steve: Why?
It's a worldwide practice.
So you confirm you don't want to have a potential customers who will
buy like 2000-3000 units?
Sent at 5:00 PM on Friday
Steve: Your answer please
So you confirm you don't want to have a potential customers who will
buy like 2000-3000 units?
Sent at 5:03 PM on Friday
Steve: Eben?
So you confirm you don't want to have a potential customers who will
buy like 2000-3000 units?
me: we're absolutely interested in customers of that sort
Steve: And I can give you such customers
me: however, they tend to be prepared to pay $35 for a trial unit first
Steve: if you will send me a sample they should buy the amount.
But you are keeping to be on your position and lose such customers -
those who can hear from me about your product
Sent at 5:06 PM on Friday
Steve: I the places I have been to including the army there is a
need in such devices, but I am not going to show or tell about your
product if I will not get the sample. It's a payment for me to do
this.
In*
me: I appreciate that
Steve: Don't you think you should grant me with a sample for my hard
work to tell and advertise your product?
me: no
Steve: Don't answer me such answers, I am a journalist who works for
a newspaper in New York
Do you really want me to post that you refused to have customers and
didn't want to grant a good guy who advertised your product?
me: I suspect that demanding free product in return for positive
coverage in a newspaper might be considered ethically dubious in most
countries
Steve: Maybe because I am Jewish
Now I get the point, you don't want to do it because of my nationality.
Sent at 5:11 PM on Friday
Steve: This was the reason and now I understand it. I am totally
shocked and I will cover the real reason for your refuse.
me: classy
Steve: "Eben Upton refused to have deal with Jews"
I think I will add some and write a great coverage about the customer
service of the director of RP
Sent at 5:16 PM on Friday
me: that's certainly an eyecatching headline
Steve: I see you want me to publish it
ok, as you wish
Sent at 5:18 PM on Friday
me: thanks for your time
Steve: You have taken time from me
Hope my coverage will hurt your sells
Maybe then you will talk in a different manner
Sent at 5:20 PM on Friday
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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:39 pm

What an idiot! He can't stump up £25! What a joke! I hope his 'university' sees this conversation! :) :) :)
Just a beginner sharing his experiences on his way to geek nirvana...

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:44 pm

what a dickhead.

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:48 pm

This is priceless :lol:

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:55 pm

I've just stuck it on the front page. Which is probably childish and petty, but I *did* think it was hilarious. :D
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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:06 pm

So, are you sending him a "free sample"? I could help by suggesting a recepticle to place it in for transport...


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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:09 pm

Lol with grammar like that could u honestly c him working for a new york paper

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:17 pm

These kids today — I dunno. When I was a lad, you had to make up a computer company name (in my case, Edible Computers) and hope that the company you were trying to scam freebies from didn't notice that the evaluation request was printed as fake letterhead on a 9-pin Amstrad DMP-2000. It was bad when your follow up call (in your best Business Voice) went something like this, “Yes, we definitely anticipate moving 2-3,000 units a month ... MUM, GET OFF THE PHONE! <click>”

After a while I tired of this (one company actually wanted their sample back, and posting it cost a fortune), so I decided to get paid to blag free stuff in exchange for three paragraphs of what could only be described as ‘typing’. Yes, I was a reviewer for Database Publications ...
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:27 pm

I can see how some folks would ask for a free sample, I get that. It's legit, but at least show that the request is credible. Do a bit of work.

Until he mentions that he's Jewish, there's no way of knowing this. Then to accuse Eben of being anti-jewish, is despicable. What a douchbag. Instead for trying to work things out, he digs himself deeper.

This guy is a fake, you would think that as he says he's a journalist, I would expect him to be able to know proper spelling and grammar.

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:36 pm

Hey, I have an idea.

Find out which news paper he "writes" for and link to it. The Raspberry Pi minions will do the rest by bringing down the site. :lol:

I can see his boss now, " What the hell did you do ?"

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:37 pm

I doubt very much he's a journo. (Actually, I also doubt he's a maths student at university.)
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:41 pm

Thanks Liz.
You made my day..
This was better than a Dogbert cartoon.
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:47 pm

just make mine a my wifes day
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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:06 pm

Too funny. I want to know how Eben deduced that he was Jewish from the info provided by the writer.
All we know is that his name is Steve and he is a math student or was it a journalist?
Very intuitive Eben.
Puts me in mind for some reason of the old BBC talking animals bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPepCVepCg
Wait for the end...
Someone should overdub the Allan with Eben. :-)

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:10 pm

Oh my...

/facepalm

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:08 pm

What an absolute TOOL, just send him a RP PCB hahaha

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:16 pm

I think this link sums him up !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asshole

The REPORTER in him mite not understand some of the english in this but the rest of us do !!!!!

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:25 pm

Don't you guys have one thats broken? ;)

I would just love him comming here to try and find out how to get it to work. :D
Noob is not derogatory the noob is just the lower end of the noob--geek spectrum being a noob is just your first step towards being an uber-geek ;)

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:27 pm

Actually I was very impressed by Eben's catching skills. Apparently a very tolerant and even-tempered man.

Re the anti-semitism accusation, "Eben" means rock in Hebrew, and there was a famous Israeli politician with a similar name. I'd have thought either of those facts would have given someone even vaguely acquainted with Judaism pause for thought...

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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:37 pm

rasbeer wrote:Actually I was very impressed by Eben's catching skills. Apparently a very tolerant and even-tempered man.
He's a very good guy. Inhuman patience makes being married to me much easier...
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Re: Check out this guy's pitching skills!

Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:39 pm

Give me his address and I'll send him my spare pi:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewt ... 992#p79992

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