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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:44 pm

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i dont know why you think it is so complex
Because every link you have posted to your product idea is hugely detailed and complicated. It''s impossible to tell what it is about.

For example why is the "MyPi Help" page you linked to full of links about Libre Office and such?

Having read the text there I still don't get the idea.

Now, what I do glean is that I have to give up my Raspi installation and install your MyIp image. In order to make use of whatever it is.

Well, that is not going to happen.
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:51 pm

SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:Sure, what license are you releasing under?

(And spring for the extra costs of rDNS, your website redirects to bare IP and that's flag #1 of "Don't install software from here." Get a certificate while you're at it, they are free now and there's no excuse to not be running one.)
See you have made yourself useful already, i have 5 fixed IP's from BT, i run my own servers, the DNS server i speak of is of my own kind and run it in my flat, it is for mypis only, if you want the tech specs it is a synology DS213+ that is ip 81.142.92.205, 201 and 202 are raspberry pi 3's while 203 is a pi'2, 204 is another server that is off at mo, dont know why people dont like fixed IP's but it is the cheapest way to do it, i have TB's of web space and database space all for the grand cost of ZERO, i have a BT business line and link, all my domain names are with 123 and redirected to one of my fixed IP's.

my personal website is http://www.jbsummers.uk with contact info if you wish to be part of the development
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:58 pm

Heater wrote:johnb_summers,
i dont know why you think it is so complex
Because every link you have posted to your product idea is hugely detailed and complicated. It''s impossible to tell what it is about.

For example why is the "MyPi Help" page you linked to full of links about Libre Office and such?

Having read the text there I still don't get the idea.

Now, what I do glean is that I have to give up my Raspi installation and install your MyIp image. In order to make use of whatever it is.

Well, that is not going to happen.
you have yet to see the virtual world page where is has a open sim virtual simulator running on the PI, look we are talking about one part of it, it is also a full web server for home and the office, it will also have a virtual world simulator, and i would say dont replace what you have, keep it and just have this on a separate card. the demo site just shows off the gpio thats all, i will do demos of the virtual world and the office side, i am sure those people wont be interested in gpio pins or i2c chips, like i said the web site is not finished, think i said a lot of pages are missing, dont have a problem with that or the gpio pins just cards blowing mainly 8gb kingston ones
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:01 pm

If your product requires me to use only your image, your DNS servers and your backends, then I'm out. And get a lawyer on staff, if you try to sell an image with LibreOffice and WebMin preinstalled and as part of your package, you're going to have some very mean looking fellows contacting you to inquire about some things.
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:10 pm

SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:If your product requires me to use only your image, your DNS servers and your backends, then I'm out. And get a lawyer on staff, if you try to sell an image with LibreOffice and WebMin preinstalled and as part of your package, you're going to have some very mean looking fellows contacting you to inquire about some things.
Libra is on the jessie OS, dont you have the latest jessie OS, was raspberry pi that included that, it is clear you think a fixed IP is only used by criminals, pity that, dont know what i did to deserve that, it is not my intention to see what is free only what i have done, i will sell a licence to connect to my server, thats all, i was thinking of selling pre installed cards but have scrapped that idea and intend to make any images free and software downloads free and just sell a key to connect to my server.

if you want an image of the last state, a few weeks ago, the download http://mypiworld.com/downloads/mypiinstall.py that will create an basic image for you, lol you better open it for edit first in case it is a scam, who knows, i do use fixed IP's. and when you find out what mypiinstall.py does will you say sorry here?
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:14 pm

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...keep it and just have this on a separate card
No. I gave up dual booting Windows and Linux on my PC in 1997. Been Linux ever since. I'm not about to start dual booting my Pi between Raspbian and whatever else now. Especially since it means an SD card change.

Whatever magic you have show it to us on your web site.

If we need to install some little software from you to participate in the magic we might consider it. As long as it's open source of course.

What is the essential idea here? In one paragraph hopefully.
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:27 pm

Heater wrote:johnb_summers,
...keep it and just have this on a separate card
No. I gave up dual booting Windows and Linux on my PC in 1997. Been Linux ever since. I'm not about to start dual booting my Pi between Raspbian and whatever else now. Especially since it means an SD card change.

Whatever magic you have show it to us on your web site.

If we need to install some little software from you to participate in the magic we might consider it. As long as it's open source of course.

What is the essential idea here? In one paragraph hopefully.
you just get a blank card with just the jessie os on it then use wget while in root to get mypiinstall.py and run it, it will then install it all, you can edit mypiinstall.py to take out or include things, now all pis are setup like this, it is just a pi with the full LAMP set plus office(that raspberry pi put on there) with a virtual world simulator and all the programs for content creators plus a web interface to operate any of the gpio pins.

now for virtual world content creators it offers sandbox space to create things a mysql database to store product data and customer data plus web server to advertise these products in other virtual worlds, libra is handy if you have to send then notes.

if you dont want the virtual world stuff then remove mono and ossim from mypi install, that frontpge web interface is for the gpio pins and i2c chips only.
look above for mypiinstall.py
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:28 pm

johnb_summers,
...i will sell a licence to connect to my server, thats all
This get's curiouser and curiouser.

Yesterday I bought a server instance on Digital Ocean https://cloud.digitalocean.com. Five dollars a month. Just for fun. I can do anything I like there.

What magic do I get if I sign up for your server?
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:34 pm

Bringing this all back on to topic, it's not the cards that are bad. Try rewriting your .py as a shell script, when every single line of the python script is a subprocess call, you're going to crash spectacularly.

(And yes, I have Jessie installed, didn't come with the Pi and didn't have to pay for it or any services or software. Only thing I paid for was hardware. I wasn't being snarky about the lawyer comment either, you will need one if only to give some gentle guidance for the project as a whole. People in this game take their IP very seriously and as a patent holder I would expect you understand in regards to protecting your property.)
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:37 pm

Heater wrote:johnb_summers,
...i will sell a licence to connect to my server, thats all
This get's curiouser and curiouser.

Yesterday I bought a server instance on Digital Ocean https://cloud.digitalocean.com. Five dollars a month. Just for fun. I can do anything I like there.

What magic do I get if I sign up for your server?
most mypi's will have a dynamic ip, my server makes that like a static ip so your pi stays in the network even though its IP is always changing. without a licence you wont have that, the server will ignore any call you make to it with you new dynamic ip so no other pi will be able to find you, will have lost all means to network with others and be very lonely.
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:40 pm

SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:Bringing this all back on to topic, it's not the cards that are bad. Try rewriting your .py as a shell script, when every single line of the python script is a subprocess call, you're going to crash spectacularly.

(And yes, I have Jessie installed, didn't come with the Pi and didn't have to pay for it or any services or software. Only thing I paid for was hardware. I wasn't being snarky about the lawyer comment either, you will need one if only to give some gentle guidance for the project as a whole. People in this game take their IP very seriously and as a patent holder I would expect you understand in regards to protecting your property.)
that program works very well, never crashed and i use it to make images and have for ages, it can take about 2 hours to run, it has never crashed and is run every time raspberry pi update the os and to make new cards.

PS you have to use webmin to change the webserver from /var/www/html to /var/www as i have not updated the web stuff yet to suit the new web directory of /var/www/html

doing that now and the next version of mypiinstall.py will have that
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:54 pm

I was talking about all of your .py scripts. I did download the install script and then pulled the tarballs from that and looked at them as well. Wouldn't install that anywhere, it's not ready for prime time.

And basically it appears that you are trying to write your own DDNS ecosystem with a pay-to-play model? With a Raspberry Pi as the root DNS server?
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Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:57 pm

SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:I was talking about all of your .py scripts. I did download the install script and then pulled the tarballs from that and looked at them as well. Wouldn't install that anywhere, it's not ready for prime time.

And basically it appears that you are trying to write your own DDNS ecosystem with a pay-to-play model? With a Raspberry Pi as the root DNS server?
one off payment, hope to sell kits and parts for kits, just want a small one off payment to keep the servers running, my only cost is electricity and maintenance, 3tb drives are about £80. was going to use a pi but its only 100mb, i am using the synology server now thats 1gig

oh there is an error in the msdcspidata.sql, i fix it by hand, it will be fixed when a new mypi-16.0.4.tar.gz is created, when i make the sql files i edit them by hand to remove all the test data and with 16.0.3 i removed one to many so the count is wrong when it loaded and mysql reports an error
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:59 pm

johnb_summers,
most mypi's will have a dynamic ip
Yep. Here at home we have an IP address that can change at any time. As do most people.
my server makes that like a static ip so your pi stays in the network even though its IP is always changing. without a licence you wont have that, the server will ignore any call you make to it with you new dynamic ip so no other pi will be able to find you, will have lost all means to network with others and be very lonely.
You do realize there are a ton of people out there solving this problem already?

For example you can reach my Pi here https://7d7f627c.dataplicity.io/. Not that it does anything but it demonstrates the point.
That is via dataplicity.com but there is also resin.io, weaved and so on.

Or, I have remote Pi I can contact via my google cloud instances with a few lines of my own software juice.
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Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:01 pm

Okay, last bit: Pick a product and stick with it! So far you've gone through selling an OS on a physical card, to selling DNS service to now selling hardware?
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Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:14 pm

SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:Okay, last bit: Pick a product and stick with it! So far you've gone through selling an OS on a physical card, to selling DNS service to now selling hardware?
it was always a dns service and going to be hardware as it is for the hobbyist and inventor i cater, as for selling cards, the card manufacturers have shown they are not as good as they claim so dont want anything to do with them
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:29 am

SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:If your product requires me to use only your image, your DNS servers and your backends, then I'm out. And get a lawyer on staff, if you try to sell an image with LibreOffice and WebMin preinstalled and as part of your package, you're going to have some very mean looking fellows contacting you to inquire about some things.
LibreOffice is LGPLv3, Webmin is a BSD-like license while Linux itself is licensed under GPLv2. The license for Linux is the most restrictive; however, all these licenses allow the respective software to be included in images that are sold. For example, Linux is part of the image included with every Android phone. While not a lawyer, I don't think there would be any problem including LibreOffice or Webmin preinstalled as part of the package.
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:30 am

Heater wrote:johnb_summers,
most mypi's will have a dynamic ip
Yep. Here at home we have an IP address that can change at any time. As do most people.
my server makes that like a static ip so your pi stays in the network even though its IP is always changing. without a licence you wont have that, the server will ignore any call you make to it with you new dynamic ip so no other pi will be able to find you, will have lost all means to network with others and be very lonely.
You do realize there are a ton of people out there solving this problem already?

For example you can reach my Pi here https://7d7f627c.dataplicity.io/. Not that it does anything but it demonstrates the point.
That is via dataplicity.com but there is also resin.io, weaved and so on.

Or, I have remote Pi I can contact via my google cloud instances with a few lines of my own software juice.
Well at least i am making an effort and not just sitting on a forum sneering and putting people down for trying, is that your excuse for doing nothing?
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:35 am

ejolson wrote:
SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:If your product requires me to use only your image, your DNS servers and your backends, then I'm out. And get a lawyer on staff, if you try to sell an image with LibreOffice and WebMin preinstalled and as part of your package, you're going to have some very mean looking fellows contacting you to inquire about some things.
LibreOffice is LGPLv3, Webmin is a BSD-like license and Linux itself is licensed under GPL. While the license for Linux is the most restrictive, all these licenses allow the respective software to be included in images that are sold. For example, Linux is part of the image included with every Android phone.
I started this thread to ask about sd cards blowing, every forum has trolls who can only raise their own self esteem by putting others down, they dont help they just put down, dont think i will be coming back to this forum.
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:39 am

johnb_summers wrote:
ejolson wrote:
SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:If your product requires me to use only your image, your DNS servers and your backends, then I'm out. And get a lawyer on staff, if you try to sell an image with LibreOffice and WebMin preinstalled and as part of your package, you're going to have some very mean looking fellows contacting you to inquire about some things.
LibreOffice is LGPLv3, Webmin is a BSD-like license and Linux itself is licensed under GPL. While the license for Linux is the most restrictive, all these licenses allow the respective software to be included in images that are sold. For example, Linux is part of the image included with every Android phone.
I started this thread to ask about sd cards blowing, every forum has trolls who can only raise their own self esteem by putting others down, they dont help they just put down, dont think i will be coming back to this forum.
Your sdcard issue is still interesting and it would be nice to figure out whether the cards were defective or whether you've inadvertently developed a rather effective stress test. I believe marginal power supplies can also lead to sdcard corruption. My previous post only points out that, as far as I know, there should be no problem including LibreOffice and Webmin in an image which is sold as part of a package, though you may need some license acknowledgements somewhere. I've updated it to be more clear.

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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:48 am

ejolson wrote:libreOffice is LGPLv3, Webmin is a BSD-like license and Linux itself is licensed under GPL. While the license for Linux is the most restrictive, all these licenses allow the respective software to be included in images that are sold. For example, Linux is part of the image included with every Android phone.
I and others looked into this when we started a year ago and we too didn't find any problems, but some people will find any excuse to put any idea down, due to their own failures in life, well in fields like this in the past i have always had success, it is not easy to gain patents in this field and at least i got that far, but even through that journey i found many that claimed it would not work and they got very nasty when it did work, so i found it had nothing to do whether it would work or not they just didn't want it to work for me, some of these people are very remiss of those days.
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Re: SD Cards Blowing

Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:52 am

johnb_summers wrote:
ejolson wrote:
SonOfAMotherlessGoat wrote:If your product requires me to use only your image, your DNS servers and your backends, then I'm out. And get a lawyer on staff, if you try to sell an image with LibreOffice and WebMin preinstalled and as part of your package, you're going to have some very mean looking fellows contacting you to inquire about some things.
LibreOffice is LGPLv3, Webmin is a BSD-like license and Linux itself is licensed under GPL. While the license for Linux is the most restrictive, all these licenses allow the respective software to be included in images that are sold. For example, Linux is part of the image included with every Android phone.
I started this thread to ask about sd cards blowing, every forum has trolls who can only raise their own self esteem by putting others down, they dont help they just put down, dont think i will be coming back to this forum.
Yup - the whole thread has gone download and totally off-topic. As such I'm locking it.
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