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Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one.

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:33 am

I found the micro-SD slot spring mechanism to be very flimsy. I swapped a couple of cards and now the mech is broken.
Can you claim warranty for it?
Other products I use with micro-SD like phones, camera's or card readers have a non-spring mech, that is simpler and more robust. Why not use it on a Pi as well?

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:35 am

The Pi 3 does exactly that.
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:35 am

remember that the pi is designed to be a low cost DIY computer :ugeek:

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:53 am

blanka wrote:I found the micro-SD slot spring mechanism to be very flimsy. I swapped a couple of cards and now the mech is broken.
Can you claim warranty for it?
Other products I use with micro-SD like phones, camera's or card readers have a non-spring mech, that is simpler and more robust. Why not use it on a Pi as well?
Yes if the RPi is under Warranty contact the Supplier you bought it from, as stated the RPi 3B & Zero have ditched spring-mech style..
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:58 am

Heater wrote:The Pi 3 does exactly that.
It's a really bad change. If you put your PI3 in a case you have to stick bits of paper or tape to the sd cards because you can't get your fingers to them to pull them out. Bring back the push/click socket I say !!
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:42 pm

It's a really good change.

I get so annoyed with the card popping out all the time as I tweak with my Pi. I just want it to stay reliably wedged in there. I don't expect to have to be removing the SD card any more often than the HD or SSD from my PC. Or the SD in my phones for that matter. If I do then something is wrong.
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:00 pm

PeterO wrote:Bring back the push/click socket I say !!
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:06 pm

I don't like the change, but for exactly the same reasons that Heater does. :D
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:10 pm

I'm sure that cases with better access to the sd card will be along in short order.

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Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:17 pm

Pithagoros wrote:I'm sure that cases with better access to the sd card will be along in short order.
Well the Pimoponi PI3 ones have the problem I described so I wouldn't hold your breath.

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:39 pm

PeterO wrote:
Pithagoros wrote:I'm sure that cases with better access to the sd card will be along in short order.
Well the Pimoponi PI3 ones have the problem I described so I wouldn't hold your breath.

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:43 pm

It's a really bad change.
It's a really good change.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:29 pm

Heater wrote:I don't expect to have to be removing the SD card any more often than the HD or SSD from my PC. Or the SD in my phones for that matter. If I do then something is wrong.
It depends what one is doing. If experimenting with bare metal, trying different OS's, or even running developmental and live setups, there can be quite a lot of card swapping at times.

My preference is for spring-loaded, push to eject, sockets but can appreciate (a) it's a PITA when they aren't reliable or break, and (b) it's a reasonable decision to use friction sockets for cost saving or greater reliability.

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:37 pm

hippy wrote:It depends what one is doing. If experimenting with bare metal, trying different OS's, or even running developmental and live setups, there can be quite a lot of card swapping at times.
Or like I was the other day, writing an OS image that was corrupt over and over again until enlightenment dawned. Needle-nosed pliers work OK so long as you are gentle.

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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:02 pm

rurwin wrote:
hippy wrote:It depends what one is doing. If experimenting with bare metal, trying different OS's, or even running developmental and live setups, there can be quite a lot of card swapping at times.
Or like I was the other day, writing an OS image that was corrupt over and over again until enlightenment dawned. Needle-nosed pliers work OK so long as you are gentle.
I can see a market for a Pi themed microSD card extractor....

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:34 pm

Pimoroni claim "the newly designed case exposes the lip on the microSD card so you can remove it with a fingernail!"
They've obviously not tested that with the fingers of a 50 year old with fat fingers and short nails because it doesn't work for me ! :(

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Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:19 pm

On thingiverse there are some micro-sd card extenders for 3D printers. The printrbots have a uSD that is hard to get in and out. They work pretty well, clamp onto the card.
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:48 pm

There are micro SD card extension cables that are not too hard to find and not very expensive either. And you can use a regular size SD card too if you wish.

Should be good for those that change cards regularly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/62cm-Micro-SD-C ... 1782617613

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:47 pm

blanka wrote:I found the micro-SD slot spring mechanism to be very flimsy. I swapped a couple of cards and now the mech is broken.
Can you claim warranty for it?
Other products I use with micro-SD like phones, camera's or card readers have a non-spring mech, that is simpler and more robust. Why not use it on a Pi as well?
My netbook has a spring loaded sdcard reader. I think anything where the goal is to have the card itself flush with the outside of the case and have it somehow removable pretty much begs for the spring version. I suppose they could have to tie a tassel to the card and have you yank it out as needed. I don't know if that would be better.

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:55 pm

One of the biggest complaints we received before Pi3 was about the push-push connector. It seems a lot of you (really, an awful lot - you should see my inbox) were accidentally ejecting your cards when handling your Pi, which meant SD card corruption. That's what was behind the change.
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Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:34 am

liz wrote:One of the biggest complaints we received before Pi3 was about the push-push connector. It seems a lot of you (really, an awful lot - you should see my inbox) were accidentally ejecting your cards when handling your Pi, which meant SD card corruption. That's what was behind the change.
Been there, done that, but without sending a PM. I have also pushed the get the card out and not caught it. There are probably a couple of them lurking about under my desk, even now. And, again, I don't send PMs about that. I figure that's my problem rather than being something to be "fixed". Now where did I put that dinosaur harness and buggy whip...?

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:27 am

Heater wrote:It's a really good change.

I get so annoyed with the card popping out all the time as I tweak with my Pi. I just want it to stay reliably wedged in there. I don't expect to have to be removing the SD card any more often than the HD or SSD from my PC. Or the SD in my phones for that matter. If I do then something is wrong.
Too true, I've shot my B+, A+ and 2B dead too many times by popping the card out (usually when I'm pulling a USB from the other end). That can't happen with my Bs, zero or 3B. Only two pis have cases (one old B with an SDCard sticking out, and my B+ which only has a case made from couple of sheets of plexiglas with stand offs).
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:52 am

Definitely sits in "can't please all the people all of the time" territory, at work I'm regularly needing to swap SDs at the moment and the cases we're using make things really difficult without the push to eject option. At home I'm more likely to leave the SD where it is for longer so prefer to not have the accidental spring our (I have had the tweezers our for one removal mind)

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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:07 pm

I can see a business opportunity here.


Specially designed for the Raspberry Pi 3!

Created with young hands or older fingers in mind!

Only £4.99 + P&P!

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Just so long as nobody goes here: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/100 ... g-tweezers
They might notice it only costs £0.70
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Re: Ditch the locking micro-SD slot and go for a regular one

Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:18 pm

Pimoroni have made me a special base piece :D for "fat fingers" :lol:
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