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Re: Pi Zero Availability

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:54 pm
by W. H. Heydt
Heater wrote:mikerr,

Ah, OK, thanks.

The stumbling block here seems to be that nobody can buy the Pi SoC. Except, presumably if they order 100,000 or more from Broadcom.

Effectively if anyone could get the chips they could create a Pi clone already. I can't imagine it's beyond the wit of a serious cloner to reverse engineer the Pi schematic and create a PCB.
Actually...someone did. They got their hands (somehow) on a "sample" of 5000 BCM2385 packages. They designed and manufactured a Pi B clone. They went to Broadcom to buy another 5000 SoCs and--basically--Broadcom laughed and said 'come back when you're seriuos'.

That was the ill-fated Hardkernel Odroid-W.

Re: Pi Zero Availability

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:26 pm
by fruitoftheloom
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Heater wrote:mikerr,

Ah, OK, thanks.

The stumbling block here seems to be that nobody can buy the Pi SoC. Except, presumably if they order 100,000 or more from Broadcom.

Effectively if anyone could get the chips they could create a Pi clone already. I can't imagine it's beyond the wit of a serious cloner to reverse engineer the Pi schematic and create a PCB.
Actually...someone did. They got their hands (somehow) on a "sample" of 5000 BCM2385 packages. They designed and manufactured a Pi B clone. They went to Broadcom to buy another 5000 SoCs and--basically--Broadcom laughed and said 'come back when you're seriuos'.

That was the ill-fated Hardkernel Odroid-W.
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 0610189490

Re: Pi Zero Availability

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:00 pm
by W. H. Heydt
fruitoftheloom wrote:
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Heater wrote:mikerr,

Ah, OK, thanks.

The stumbling block here seems to be that nobody can buy the Pi SoC. Except, presumably if they order 100,000 or more from Broadcom.

Effectively if anyone could get the chips they could create a Pi clone already. I can't imagine it's beyond the wit of a serious cloner to reverse engineer the Pi schematic and create a PCB.
Actually...someone did. They got their hands (somehow) on a "sample" of 5000 BCM2385 packages. They designed and manufactured a Pi B clone. They went to Broadcom to buy another 5000 SoCs and--basically--Broadcom laughed and said 'come back when you're seriuos'.

That was the ill-fated Hardkernel Odroid-W.
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 0610189490
http://ameridroid.com/products/odroid-w

Re: Pi Zero Availability

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:24 pm
by alexeames
W. H. Heydt wrote: Actually...someone did. They got their hands (somehow) on a "sample" of 5000 BCM2385 packages. They designed and manufactured a Pi B clone. They went to Broadcom to buy another 5000 SoCs and--basically--Broadcom laughed and said 'come back when you're seriuos'.

That was the ill-fated Hardkernel Odroid-W.
Part of that "come back when you're serious" was probably due to the need for licensing the binary blob, which would likely only ever happen with a high volume customer. I bet the legal fees wouldn't even be covered by the profit on 5000 chips. :D

Re: Pi Zero Availability

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:05 am
by W. H. Heydt
alexeames wrote:
W. H. Heydt wrote: Actually...someone did. They got their hands (somehow) on a "sample" of 5000 BCM2385 packages. They designed and manufactured a Pi B clone. They went to Broadcom to buy another 5000 SoCs and--basically--Broadcom laughed and said 'come back when you're seriuos'.

That was the ill-fated Hardkernel Odroid-W.
Part of that "come back when you're serious" was probably due to the need for licensing the binary blob, which would likely only ever happen with a high volume customer. I bet the legal fees wouldn't even be covered by the profit on 5000 chips. :D
At the sort of prices the BCM2835 has to going for, no, I don't think so either, unless it was a case of "here's the license; sign it as it stands or get lost." Even then it'd be close...

Re: Pi Zero Availability

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:42 am
by liz
Hi gang

Closing this and similar threads. Latest news is at viewtopic.php?f=63&t=135081.