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Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:06 pm
by mikognn
Hello together,

according the blogpost on raspberrypi.org, the pi zero is meant to be a nicely priced computer which should "help these people take the pludge".

This is a nice idea, and hey, five dollars is more than a fair price. Over here in Europe (specifically Germany) however, the retailers are pricing the Pi Zero currently at ~14,99€ (16,12$), which is overpriced by about 317 percent!
How can the Foundation accept this policy by retailers, if the goal is to make computers available to everyone, not to make the retailers more and more rich?

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:12 pm
by expandables
mikognn wrote:Hello together,

according the blogpost on raspberrypi.org, the pi zero is mesnt to be an nicely priced computer which should "help these people take the pludge".

This is a nice idea, and hey, five dollars is more than a fair price. Over here in Europe (specifically Germany) however, the retailers are pricing the Pi Zero currently at ~14,99€ (16,12$), which is overpriced by about 317 percent!
How can the Foundation accept this policy by retailers, if the goal is to make computers available to everyone, not to make the retailers more and more rich?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

:twisted:

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:17 pm
by mikognn
The inflation is of course a factor which affects pricing. The current inflationrate in Germany however is 0.24%, which is a bit less than 318% ;)

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:25 pm
by denis_hr
If you take a closer look, all of those retailers are actually selling a RasPi Zero KIT, which includes micro HDMI to HDMI adapter, and a Micro USB cable adapter (OTG).
That kit has about the same price everywhere.

The issue is that you can't actually buy ONLY RasPi Zero - they sell only the kits, thus making a nice profit on $2 worth of cables and adapters.... :(

The only thing you can do is wait until the retailers start selling ONLY the RasPi (without cable/adapter).... It shouldn't cost more than €6-€7 when sold alone, I guess...

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:23 pm
by Bruny
denis_hr wrote:The only thing you can do is wait until the retailers start selling ONLY the RasPi (without cable/adapter).... It shouldn't cost more than €6-€7 when sold alone, I guess...
just like 2B is now only $60 incl. shipping :?:

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:27 pm
by kusti8
Bruny wrote:
denis_hr wrote:The only thing you can do is wait until the retailers start selling ONLY the RasPi (without cable/adapter).... It shouldn't cost more than €6-€7 when sold alone, I guess...
just like 2B is now only $60 incl. shipping :?:
I can get the 2B right now for $40 including shipping and tax. Where in the world are you? Where are you ordering from?

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:32 pm
by gkreidl
denis_hr wrote:If you take a closer look, all of those retailers are actually selling a RasPi Zero KIT, which includes micro HDMI to HDMI adapter, and a Micro USB cable adapter (OTG).
That kit has about the same price everywhere.

The issue is that you can't actually buy ONLY RasPi Zero - they sell only the kits, thus making a nice profit on $2 worth of cables and adapters.... :(

The only thing you can do is wait until the retailers start selling ONLY the RasPi (without cable/adapter).... It shouldn't cost more than €6-€7 when sold alone, I guess...
It's the price from pollin.de and they cannot even deliver it.
Yes, we'll have to wait in Germany (and other countries) until it really is in stock. Luckily we have some competition here and that will bring the price down, even with resellers (RS/Farnell are not delivering to end users in Germany).

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:59 am
by jamesh
RS and Farnell are not selling the zero as I understand it. The Zero is manufactured by the Foundation, not by RS and Farnell under licence. I suspect they cannot make any money on it so are not so interested.

The Foundation has no real control over how people price on the Zero, although as stated above, the higher priced kit comes with cables. The shops need to make some profit, or they simply won't sell the Zero at all.....

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:03 am
by Pithagoros
jamesh wrote:RS and Farnell are not selling the zero as I understand it. The Zero is manufactured by the Foundation, not by RS and Farnell under licence. I suspect they cannot make any money on it so are not so interested.
I think Farnell are, at least in the UK:

http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberrypizero?&ICID=I-Rpizero

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:08 am
by jamesh
Pithagoros wrote:
jamesh wrote:RS and Farnell are not selling the zero as I understand it. The Zero is manufactured by the Foundation, not by RS and Farnell under licence. I suspect they cannot make any money on it so are not so interested.
I think Farnell are, at least in the UK:

http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberrypizero?&ICID=I-Rpizero
AIUI, they are just selling an initial batch and may not continue - of course, they could change their plans.

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:51 am
by RaTTuS

COP21: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:14 pm
by Bruny
kusti8 wrote:I can get the 2B right now for $40 including shipping and tax. Where in the world are you? Where are you ordering from?
What would happen if somebody equalize that by setting different prices for different countries? Let's just say that in this country GDP per capita is 2.5x lower...
  • Wealthy industrialized countries and big corporations are mostly responsible for causing global warming, yet poorer nations in the global south are bearing the brunt of climate change’s impacts.
  • With the high cost of health care there, the U.S. is seen as a potential market.


Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:35 pm
by Gadgety
Hm, yes, I recognize this, too. PiZero, out of stock for the moment, obviously, is priced between GBP 7 at the lowest, and, get a load of this GBP 38 in Sweden. Plus shipping. The majority fall between GBP 12 and 22, incl shipping. Conrad.se is the worst charging GBP 38, plus another 4 quid for shipping, for a grand total of GBP 42. None of these are shipped with any ancilliaries.

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:52 pm
by gkreidl
Wait until they really have it in stock in quantity.
An example for Pi2 in Germany:
35$ = 32,0528 (at todays exchange rate) + 19% VAT = 38,14 €. The current price from my favorite reseller: 38,19 €. So where'*s the problem?

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:41 am
by Fidelius
mikognn wrote:The current inflationrate in Germany however is 0.24%
Well, don't believe anything our governments tell us officially. Compare for yourself what your bread cost ~15 years ago in DM in contrast to what your bread costs today in Teuro. Then we see the actual inflation which is more like 24%. :-)

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:53 am
by Fidelius
I agree with Mikognn concerning the Pi Zero's current cost: 14,95 € here in Germany.
So, as usual, there's usury with those who already have a few Pi's to sell. Clearly we better do what Gkreidl said: wait until they really have it in stock in quantity.

But those who don't wait or don't know the original price are taken for a fool. Which is sad when we take into account the Foundation's noble goals and their hard work to reach these goals. In the MagPi's current Christmas edition the Foundation's Eben Upton writes in the editorial what many of us experienced, too :
RASPBERRY PI ZERO: ACCESS TO TOOLS

My first computer, a second-hand BBC Micro with its built-in BASIC, cost me £220 in 1989. That’s £500 in today’s money. My Amiga was a little cheaper, costing £200 in 1993, but I had to save for three more months to buy the software and documentation I needed to program it.
Throughout my childhood, cost limited my access to the tools I needed to learn. This is why, of all the work that we do at Raspberry Pi, driving down the cost of computing is the single thing that matters most to me.

The original Raspberry Pi Model B and its successors put a programmable computer within reach of anyone with $20-35 to spend. Now we’re taking the next step: in Raspberry Pi Zero, we finally have a computer we can sell for $5, or give away on the front of a magazine. We all need access to tools. Cost should never be a barrier. Enjoy your Raspberry Pi Zero.

Eben Upton

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:45 am
by jjex22
Yup, as ever it all comes down to whether you buy direct from RS/e14 or through a reseller. looking at the conversion rates, e14 and RS will likely be selling it a tad under €5 +tax&pp. Once they're in highly available stock, I reckon €9 for board only is a good large volume reseller price without accessories - it avoids breaking the €10 mark, and takes into account there'll not really be much of a bulk order discount at all on a Pi zero.

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:30 pm
by gkreidl
jjex22 wrote:Yup, as ever it all comes down to whether you buy direct from RS/e14 or through a reseller. looking at the conversion rates, e14 and RS will likely be selling it a tad under €5 +tax&pp. Once they're in highly available stock, I reckon €9 for board only is a good large volume reseller price without accessories - it avoids breaking the €10 mark, and takes into account there'll not really be much of a bulk order discount at all on a Pi zero.
RS/E14 don't deliver to German costumers (only to resellers), they give you a list of resellers instead. I think it's the same for some other European countries. In the beginning they offered me to by from Romania instead.
Luckily we have high competition between resellers and so the price will be around 6€ once it is available in quantity. The other boards are all available for a fair price now.

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:18 pm
by scotty101
Fidelius wrote:
mikognn wrote:The current inflationrate in Germany however is 0.24%
Well, don't believe anything our governments tell us officially. Compare for yourself what your bread cost ~15 years ago in DM in contrast to what your bread costs today in Teuro. Then we see the actual inflation which is more like 24%. :-)
The inflation rate is measured in several different way which means you will end up with typically two different rates; CPI and RPI. They are both an average of the increase in cost (or prediction of increased cost) of various products or raw materials over the course of one year.
Not all products are subject to the same inflation rate. The inflation rates have been very low quite recently because the low price of crude oil is a large contributor to the inflation rate (as well as the ongoing financial problems).
So your comparison about the cost of bread going up in isolation, won't be reflective of the inflation index.

But... the inflation rate in different countries has absolutely no influence on the cost of a Pi Zero between different countries. That has more to do with exchange rates, local taxes, shipping costs, profit margins etc.

{/economics on a tech forum}

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:23 pm
by Massi
In italy we are far ahead

http://www.conrad.it/ce/it/product/1406 ... archDetail

:lol: :lol:

and this is not ebay..

Btw, i think that we will be able to discuss about pricing across europe only when Zero will be available (really available)

Right now, it's only speculation (in every meaning of the word..)

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:30 pm
by jamesh
Massi wrote:In italy we are far ahead

http://www.conrad.it/ce/it/product/1406 ... archDetail
Blimey, that's a lot.

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:45 pm
by Fidelius
jamesh wrote:
Massi wrote:In italy we are far ahead

http://www.conrad.it/ce/it/product/1406 ... archDetail
Blimey, that's a lot.
Indeed, ~44€ is a lot for a Pi Zero.

Apparently Conrad's Italian branch buys the Pi Zero in Germany for ~15€ and then has to cross the Alps – including the famous "Alps addition" which means some losses since Hannibal.

Massi, is it really Euro or rather Lira? ;-)

Re: Raspberry Pi Zero pricing in Europe

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:50 pm
by Massi
Fidelius wrote:Massi, is it really Euro or rather Lira? ;-)
i think that in any case that's a really bad shop (for sure not polite..)
but to be honest i don't know any proper italian shop for things like raspberry :)