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Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:32 pm
by fruitoftheloom

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:14 pm
by zorro101
not ship to italy! :(
you have try this hub? i don't see the microusb male connector (is similar that i have)
thanks

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:33 pm
by fruitoftheloom
zorro101 wrote:not ship to italy! :(
you have try this hub? i don't see the microusb male connector (is similar that i have)

thanks
You use an adaptor shim similar to:

https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/usb- ... erter-shim

Regards the un-powered Hub, I am sure you can find Chinese Suppliers if you search...

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:46 pm
by zorro101
please can you post the vid pid of your hub?

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:34 pm
by fruitoftheloom
zorro101 wrote:please can you post the vid pid of your hub?
lsusb
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 248a:8367
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 12d1:14db Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:01 pm
by zorro101
thanks

is a mistery that the similar product i have:
05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
and you have:
05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
with different results

can you confirm that work with rasperry pi zero and otg-usb cable adapter and keyboard and mouse and pendrive as the sime time?
thanks again

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:34 pm
by fruitoftheloom
zorro101 wrote:thanks

is a mistery that the similar product i have:
05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
and you have:
05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
with different results

can you confirm that work with rasperry pi zero and otg-usb cable adapter and keyboard and mouse and pendrive as the sime time?
thanks again
I have a Wireless Chinese no brand Keyboard and Mouse Combo, 4GB Kingston Pen Drive, 3G/4G Huawei USB Modem and a Canon Camera plugged in now to the un-powered Hub and using a "microUSB to USB Cable" to connect to RPi0 data port. I am running a fully updated Raspbian Jessie with Pixel OS (without NOOBS):

lsusb
Bus 001 Device 012: ID 04a9:317a Canon, Inc. PC1267 [Powershot A470]
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 248a:8367
Bus 001 Device 011: ID 12d1:14db Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0951:1624 Kingston Technology DataTraveler G2
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

lsusb -t
/: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=dwc_otg/1p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/4p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 10, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 480M
|__ Port 2: Dev 11, If 0, Class=Communications, Driver=cdc_ether, 480M
|__ Port 2: Dev 11, If 1, Class=CDC Data, Driver=cdc_ether, 480M
|__ Port 3: Dev 3, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 12M
|__ Port 3: Dev 3, If 1, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 12M
|__ Port 4: Dev 12, If 0, Class=Imaging, Driver=usbfs, 12M


When had my first Rpi 1B used a "Belkin F5U234 USB 2.0 4-Port Hub - 2.6A PSU" which also worked with the RPi0

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:17 pm
by zorro101
many thanks
i need to found the similar product

one doubt: the "microUSB to USB Cable" is the cable called otg-usb? (i use this)
thanks again

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:03 am
by fruitoftheloom
zorro101 wrote:many thanks
i need to found the similar product

one doubt: the "microUSB to USB Cable" is the cable called otg-usb? (i use this)
thanks again
Yes the Cable is called OTG Cable but that is a generic term, OTG is the function of the Device not the Cable.

"USB Standard-A plug on one end and a micro-B plug on the other end", looks similar to:

https://www.amazon.com/Caxico-Micro-USB ... B0111P9ESQ

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:06 pm
by zorro101
hi
my usb female-micro usb male is OTG-USB cable
the OTG-USB cable have the pin4 together to pin5 (i have measured the resistance whith tester on pin to the rear of the rp0 (PP35 PP40)) and when not connected is open circuit and if i put inside the otg-usb cable the resistance is 0 ohm.
instead a telephone usb cable (open circuit)

now, i dont know if the my problem is this but is very strange that the 2 hub i have work properly with raspberry pi 2 but not with raspberry pi zero!

as well as proceed with the purchase of a new hub (the third) I'd like to understand and solve the reason why two hubs do not work on rapsberry pi zero (but work on rpi2)
there are no checks I can do? for example, the drivers!

thanks again

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:42 pm
by procount
I have a couple of USB hubs that would not work with the PiZero initially.

The first one had a micro USB plug, but I had to use an adaptor to convert it to standard USB, then the USB adaptor cable (e.g from the Essentials Kit or similar) to convert it back to a micro USB plug.
I suspect this is because it wasn't using the OTG pin 5 correctly so the PiZero USB wasn't being put in the right mode.

The second was a passive (bus-powered) device, that worked with my PC but not with the PiZero. But I found it also had a small power input, so I powered it using this.
It wouldn't back-power the PiZero, so I had to waste one of its USB ports to power the PiZero on its power input.

These are just a couple of things you can try if your USB hub does not work.

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:46 pm
by fruitoftheloom
procount wrote:I have a couple of USB hubs that would not work with the PiZero initially.

The first one had a micro USB plug, but I had to use an adaptor to convert it to standard USB, then the USB adaptor cable (e.g from the Essentials Kit or similar) to convert it back to a micro USB plug.
I suspect this is because it wasn't using the OTG pin 5 correctly so the PiZero USB wasn't being put in the right mode.

The second was a passive (bus-powered) device, that worked with my PC but not with the PiZero. But I found it also had a small power input, so I powered it using this.
It wouldn't back-power the PiZero, so I had to waste one of its USB ports to power the PiZero on its power input.

These are just a couple of things you can try if your USB hub does not work.
Yes good catch, it does appear that cables and adaptors can cause issues, maybe I have just been lucky :shock: :shock:

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:43 pm
by zorro101
procount wrote:I have a couple of USB hubs that would not work with the PiZero initially.
...
The second was a passive (bus-powered) device, that worked with my PC but not with the PiZero. But I found it also had a small power input, so I powered it using this.
It wouldn't back-power the PiZero, so I had to waste one of its USB ports to power the PiZero on its power input.

These are just a couple of things you can try if your USB hub does not work.
this afternoon i try to power rpi0 through hub!
thanks

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:27 pm
by zorro101
i have try to power rpi 0 from the hub but not work!

i need to buy another hub (3°) but i want be sure! and i dont want expend more than rpi0!
is very difficult found the hub economic with vid pid 05e3:0608!

another question:
if i use my smartphone for sharing internet connection to usb (usb tethering usb) for raspberry pi zero can work?
thanks again

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:50 pm
by johnb_summers
I used a hub with a rj45 connector, then I made a sd card in a pi2 with xrdp and other things like apache, then I plugged the sd card in and the rj45 cable into the router, got the zero's local ip from the router and then used remote desktop to connect and do other things, I also loaded webmin so meant I could do many things without remote desktop and with a web browser, when I first got the zero I tried all that connecting a screen, didn't waste more than 5 mins before I did the above and pre loaded a sd card.

did look at wireless but that would have required a hub too and as I had a rj45 on the end of my hub I have used that since

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:35 pm
by zorro101
it's incredible
I tried the third hub and does not go! (Luckily for me lent a my friend)
058f: 6254 is the vid pid
at least I'm consoled that does not even work on raspberry pi 2 !!!

I am exhausted

I must find a working hub cheap
the raspberry pi zero I paid 13 pounds (15€) shipping included.
for the hub, would like to spend less (5€ is the best)

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:00 pm
by zorro101
Hi

these are sure compatible and the cheapest I could find
http://www.ebay.it/itm/4-port-Micro-USB ... SwmtJXXEXz

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ZERO4U-4-PORT-US ... Swal5YIxEG
the second is powered from rear of the pi zero (pp1 pp6 -> which are in parallel with "only power" micro usb input) and therefore does not need any second power supply

what do you recommend
thanks again
best regards

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:34 pm
by lumsdot
fruitoftheloom wrote:I use this un-powered Hub: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Ports-USB2- ... 2253292330
I ordered this exact hub for my pi zero (on your recommendation no less), which is running the pixel operating system.
But this hub does not work on my pi zero, it works ok on my pc with the red plug plugged in to pc.
I have tried about 3 one pound usb hubs on my pi zero and none work.
the only one that works for me is a texet hub which cost 5 pounds which is too much

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:21 pm
by fruitoftheloom
lumsdot wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote:I use this un-powered Hub: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Ports-USB2- ... 2253292330
I ordered this exact hub for my pi zero (on your recommendation no less), which is running the pixel operating system.
But this hub does not work on my pi zero, it works ok on my pc with the red plug plugged in to pc.
I have tried about 3 one pound usb hubs on my pi zero and none work.
the only one that works for me is a texet hub which cost 5 pounds which is too much
rp0.jpg

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:20 pm
by lumsdot
fruitoftheloom wrote:
lumsdot wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote:I use this un-powered Hub: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Ports-USB2- ... 2253292330
I ordered this exact hub for my pi zero (on your recommendation no less), which is running the pixel operating system.
But this hub does not work on my pi zero, it works ok on my pc with the red plug plugged in to pc.
I have tried about 3 one pound usb hubs on my pi zero and none work.
the only one that works for me is a texet hub which cost 5 pounds which is too much
rp0.jpg
the one they sent me is white but looks identical, when i plug it into my pc with the non red connector , i get this usb device has malfunctioned, so it looks like a dud. it works with the red connector into pc, but the red connector is only supposed to provide additional power.

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:28 am
by PlanB
I've got identical software (cloned sd cards) on a piA+, a pi0 & a pi3. I bought a usb hub for the pi0/piA+ but it won't work (not even with just a keyboard plugged in) on either yet identifies/functions OK on the pi3 (Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub). Anybody out there got any thoughts as to what's going on?

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:14 pm
by guacamayas
All, I'm stuck.

I have bought/borrowed a few USB hubs (powered/unpowered) and had no luck. They don't work at all.

I really need three USB devices connecting to the PI Zero.

Can you share the make, model, part number of the USB Hub you are using with your PI Zero? I need to know which one to buy.

Thanks!

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:30 pm
by procount
Have you tried using an OTG cable (like the micro usb to std usb cable in the essentials kit) between the PiZero and your hub, or the pimoroni shim? I found it necessary with most of my hubs.

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:45 pm
by MrEngman
procount wrote:Have you tried using an OTG cable (like the micro usb to std usb cable in the essentials kit) between the PiZero and your hub, or the pimoroni shim? I found it necessary with most of my hubs.
+1

Exactly. You need one of these cables or the shim if you want to control any USB device, including hubs, from the Pi Zero, otherwise the Pi Zero will appear as a USB device, not a USB host.

Info on USB OTG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go



MrEngman

Re: Pi Zero USB hub

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:10 pm
by guacamayas
Thanks Procount, I'm looking for something more specific than a generic OTG reference. Yes, I have used three OTG I got from trade shows, but if you have one that works with the PI Zero, please share the make, model, part number so I can go ahead and buy one. That's what I am looking for. Regards.