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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:30 pm

pluggy wrote:They've just advertised for a new charity CEO at £100k a year.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Raspber ... story.html
hundred thousands for a CEO/year? It seems the foundation is not a crazy at money at all...

Back to the front, how do you guys think that the teardown price will be?
So here's my meaningless guess: (In USD)
  • CPU: $10 (Most precious part of our amazing computer)
  • RAM: $10 ($5 for each 512M)
  • USB: $1-$2 (the USB controller that a Arduino could use in my homeland is only sold for $2...But it's China-pirated product I think)
  • GPIO: $1 (Just some pins and circuit)
  • RJ45: $0.5 (LAN Controller came with USB IC so only a coat is needed)
  • HDMI: $0.8
  • Micro-USB input: $0.3 (With capacitor included)
  • MicroSD: $0.6
  • RCA: $0.2
  • Audio: $0.5 (with independent chip)
  • Factory fee: $1.2-$2.2
  • = 28.1
  • VAT: 10%
So that was $30.91 or $31 maybe, that was not bad at all I guess...At least 10 million is way enough to generate...

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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:43 pm

you forget the six layer PCB! Its not free! Actually It can be quite expensive!
You also seemed to have forgotten the LAN9512 USB-HUB and USB-Ethernet interface chip, The crystal, several connectors, LED's, and dozens of other SMT parts, including the power circuitry. But I applaud your effort.

And 10% vat isn't included in the $35 end user price.

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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:35 pm

Farnell and RS are probably seeing a 25% to 30% return on each Pi. Otherwise they would not be worth making. The foundation is probably getting $2 or less per Pi. That still adds up at 5 million!

My guess is actual cost is right around $20 per B model and around $12 for an A+.

They are making a profit or they would not make them! I guess that total profits for the raspberry Pi's would be $65 million. Total production costs would be around $90 million. So somewhere around $155 million has be spent on Raspberry Pi's. The lion share are B models at $35. The A models only sold about 100K the A+ has probably done much better. Not all RasPii are sold at $25, $20 or $35. Many are sold at $5 or more higher cost by secondary retailers.

These are all just guesses as no one is going to release the figures to the public. Raspberry Pi are a fair price or 5 million would not have sold!
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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:30 pm

One of the more interesting clues recently is the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L991wyOHTJ4 Raspberry Pi Guy interview with Eben Upton. Starting around 5:48, they talk about the Pi 2 A; Eben specifically says that they could make a list $25 Pi 2 A w/ 512 MB RAM right now, but they really want to keep the list $20 price point and "the maths don't work out", so will wait a bit. He implies that the cost of a Pi 2 A today would be just over $20, but they expect that to come down with time (hopefully 2016). What isn't clear is whether that "just over $20" is before or after the manufacturer's profit, etc.; he's head of Pi Trading, so he's well aware of all that but it's not clear which sort of numbers he's quoting.

He also points out that they've considered a Pi 2 A with only 256 MB RAM, but rejected it as not useful enough. (I have to agree with them; for certain uses on a multi-core chip you have to look at RAM per core, and with the new quad-core that would be only 64 MB per core, which is going to be tight for most of the things you'd want a Pi for rather than a microcontroller.) This sort of implies that the RAM difference makes enough of a price difference that it might matter to squeezing things into a $20 list price or not.

So, subtract the cost of a single USB jack and 512 MB Ram chip; then add a 1 GB RAM chip, two double USB jacks, an Ethernet jack "with magnetics", and the LAN/USB chip. Add a bit for larger 6-layer board, and some misc supporting passives. (Random question: IIRC the Welsh plant makes B-sized Pi as a 6-pack; is the A-sized Pi made as an 8-pack?)

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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:25 am

jdunson wrote:One of the more interesting clues recently is the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L991wyOHTJ4 Raspberry Pi Guy interview with Eben Upton. Starting around 5:48, they talk about the Pi 2 A; Eben specifically says that they could make a list $25 Pi 2 A w/ 512 MB RAM right now, but they really want to keep the list $20 price point and "the maths don't work out", so will wait a bit. He implies that the cost of a Pi 2 A today would be just over $20, but they expect that to come down with time (hopefully 2016). What isn't clear is whether that "just over $20" is before or after the manufacturer's profit, etc.; he's head of Pi Trading, so he's well aware of all that but it's not clear which sort of numbers he's quoting.

He also points out that they've considered a Pi 2 A with only 256 MB RAM, but rejected it as not useful enough. (I have to agree with them; for certain uses on a multi-core chip you have to look at RAM per core, and with the new quad-core that would be only 64 MB per core, which is going to be tight for most of the things you'd want a Pi for rather than a microcontroller.) This sort of implies that the RAM difference makes enough of a price difference that it might matter to squeezing things into a $20 list price or not.

So, subtract the cost of a single USB jack and 512 MB Ram chip; then add a 1 GB RAM chip, two double USB jacks, an Ethernet jack "with magnetics", and the LAN/USB chip. Add a bit for larger 6-layer board, and some misc supporting passives. (Random question: IIRC the Welsh plant makes B-sized Pi as a 6-pack; is the A-sized Pi made as an 8-pack?)
With Pi 2 A+ I could definitely make a PiPhone, but I doubt if 512MB of memory could power Android at all...

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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:43 am

The point of the foundation is to be able to provide the Pi for educational purpose! They don't sell the Pi to make money for some other purpose.

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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:02 am

For the uses that the A+ is put to, they would be better just leaving it as is. A multi core processor and more memory (and the increased current consumption that goes along with it) will do it few favours in my book. If you want something approaching a desktop, buy a 2, if you can live with one USB and want the meagre power consumption get an A+. Because sure as hell, the A+ will be a dead duck in no time, just like the B+ is now. Not everyone buys a Pi to surf the web on, where a fast processor and lots of memory are requisite, you need b*gger all of either for many of the jobs the A+ is put to. The envisaged 128 MB of ram the original A was going to have (back when the B was 256) would have been more than adequate for much work.

The Arduino Uno still sells well and that has a massive 2k of RAM (not terrabytes, gigabytes or even megabytes - old school kilobytes)
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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:58 pm

Wouldn't the HDMI cost be higher because of licensing fees?

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Re: How much does actually Pi 2 cost?

Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:15 pm

marked wrote:Wouldn't the HDMI cost be higher because of licensing fees?
yes, the cost needs to include the HDMI licence fee AND the H264 licence fee. It's not all HW costs.
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