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Intel Edison: your thoughts???

Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:11 pm

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Re: Intel Edison: your thaughts???

Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:38 pm

Not going to be cheap - making stuff that small never is, and is why the Raspi is the size it is. Making it smaller was a lot more expensive.

Nice bit of kit, but no GPU, and no GPIO.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:54 pm

Interesting if it can be expanded in some way. For example it can output via wireless, so better than the arduino lilypad, but how would you hard wire inputs like temperature sensors or a heart rate monitor for the sporty types? Doesn't seem to be any clue on how to do that.

And as already said, the price is crucial, especially for something that could easily end up in the washing machine by mishtake :)

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:00 pm

This type of unit is going to have a massive impact on the IoT sphere.

Especially the builtin Bluetooth and WiFi will be handy.

This Intel Edison is a front runner - which models will follow?

The price will drop and the functionality will increase.

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:17 pm

NicoVanDerDussen wrote:Are we ready for the IoT revolution that is going to hit us?
I'm going to blow my cover and look really dumb now, but what's an IoT ? :lol:

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:20 pm

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:24 pm

Thank you. Duh :)

And yes, agreed it could well have a big impact (as long as the hardware's affordable and the software's not botched)

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:52 pm

Ravenous wrote:Thank you. Duh :)

And yes, agreed it could well have a big impact (as long as the hardware's affordable and the software's not botched)
It's going to be too expensive, and I htink there will be Arm chips in the nr future around that do much the same for lower power/cost.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:08 pm

Well, you're probably right (which is why I said "as long as...") :)

Certainly this first generation version won't get much of a foothold unless they practically give them away. (In which case sign me up!)

Can you imagine cheapo batteries catching fire in such wearables by the way? (Not a stab at Intel, just generic cheapo electronics as a whole.)

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:04 pm

What's with using the SD card form factor even to the clipping off one corner? The board doesn't go into an SD card socket.

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Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:21 am

drgeoff wrote:What's with using the SD card form factor even to the clipping off one corner? The board doesn't go into an SD card socket.
Its just to show that they have a computer that "Fits inside a SD card"
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:12 am

Will it be any faster than pi?
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:16 am

Will it be any faster than pi?
From what I can tell, it looks like it has a 400 Mhz Pentium class chip.

The Pi is 700 Mhz ARM class.

My guess is: about the same in terms of usable speed.

It'd be really nice to know when it will be available and for how much...
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:27 am

Clever stuff. Cheaper, IME not to have the baby in the first place? ;)

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Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:18 am

Joe Schmoe wrote:
Will it be any faster than pi?
From what I can tell, it looks like it has a 400 Mhz Pentium class chip.

The Pi is 700 Mhz ARM class.

My guess is: about the same in terms of usable speed.

It'd be really nice to know when it will be available and for how much...
But without a decent GPU as I see it.

Cost is the killer.
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:19 am

and additional hardware to program it ? or get it plugged into a PC
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:15 am

The cost I think is the main thing here. If the serious intention is to embed it into things then it will be ultra cheap (although perhaps only in the 10k units) or the products would never sell. However, they are purely technology demos so the actual price may well be a lot more. But yes, if they give them away as development kits I would love to try one. If only the price is scaled the same as the size...

While it doesn't have GPIO, the focus appears to be on wireless, so sensors etc for it would be wireless. That isn't a huge problem, except of course, additional cost/power etc. Something doesn't quite add up in my mind other than marketing leveraging things into somewhere where they don't really work. A pentium class processor for embedded applications...at least they aren't talking about using windows with that.
Important question is, did they put Ctrl+Alt+Del keys on it?

What would be better? How about a Arduino/AT device in a SD-card form-factor, perhaps with a GPIO edge connector. Heck, with a little work it could be programmable using a SD-card reader. That would be more useful.
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Re: Intel Edison: your thoughts???

Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:45 pm

The lack of details on pricing is very telling - it's the first step in rolling out vaporware meant to slow down development for competitive platforms (i.e., ARM SoCs). This is a classic fear, uncertainty, and doubt tactic originated by IBM and perpetuated by today's incumbent large hardware manufacturers like Intel.

In theory, the 400 MHz Pentium-class Quark processor Edison is based on is roughly 1.3 times the performance of the Pi's 700 MHz ARM CPU (estimated to be roughly equivalent to 300 MHz Pentium II performance), but the Edison will reportedly be dual-core. So, with a proper Linux distro splitting processes across cores, overall performance could reach about 600 MHz Pentium-class, taking into account the overhead of multiple processor coordination, process setup and teardown, interleaved memory access, etc. While it won't suffer Windoze virus/worm/Trojan-horse vulnerabilities, x86 C and assembly-level exploits could still exist.

As noted, there is no GPU and I haven't looked to see what FPU capability Quark has, but this isn't based on an existing GPU-oriented SoC as the Pi is. Few Pi applications make much use of its GPU beyond the streaming Internet media function the Pi's Broadcom BCM-2835 SoC was designed to perform, so this isn't much of a differentiator. It's not clear what kind of advantage an SD card sized system can have with battery-draining WiFi and Bluetooth apparently meant to be the only way to accomplish I/O. I don't see any mention of analog I/O either, which Arduinos provide at least for input, e.g., via sensors. If sensors are supposed to be off-board and accessed via Bluetooth with their own power demands, that's going to be a losing proposition all the way around.

The creepy factor of having an infant wearing an RF-emitting, virus-prone x86 system is nothing short of amazing. What were their marketing and PR people thinking when they came up with this use case? Well, obviously, they weren't, and technology without common sense is worthless. We see this sort of thing in SillyCon Valley all of the time - geeks completely out of touch with the real world as to what people really need and want to do. I should know, I've been one of them, but I come from humble beginnings and spending time with relatives and friends during holiday opportunities brings the important things in life back into sharp focus. Silver-spooned Stanford graduate CEOs with eight-figure salaries plus hundreds of millions in future stock grants (no options for them - are you kidding?) who have things like a private nursery for their infant built next to their office while terminating all telecommuting for their employees, not so much.

Other than power-hungry x86 cores, at least we now know what form factor and features the Next Generation Pi will have ... thanks, Intel! :lol:
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Re: Intel Edison: your thaughts???

Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:28 am

jamesh wrote:
Ravenous wrote:Thank you. Duh :)

And yes, agreed it could well have a big impact (as long as the hardware's affordable and the software's not botched)
It's going to be too expensive, and I htink there will be Arm chips in the nr future around that do much the same for lower power/cost.

you may find interesting a talk titled "The Exploration and Exploitation of an SD Memory Card"

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Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:48 am

duberry wrote:
jamesh wrote:
Ravenous wrote:Thank you. Duh :)

And yes, agreed it could well have a big impact (as long as the hardware's affordable and the software's not botched)
It's going to be too expensive, and I htink there will be Arm chips in the nr future around that do much the same for lower power/cost.

you may find interesting a talk titled "The Exploration and Exploitation of an SD Memory Card"
I've had a look at that, would be great to recreate what they did and use it.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:06 pm

meltwater wrote:I've had a look at that, would be great to recreate what they did and use it.
Yep it would be that, but the impression i-got was that its not easy to 'realy' know the hw used with out similar effort /tools not to mention luck & skills..
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Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:47 am

duberry wrote:
meltwater wrote:I've had a look at that, would be great to recreate what they did and use it.
Yep it would be that, but the impression i-got was that its not easy to 'realy' know the hw used with out similar effort /tools not to mention luck & skills..
and someone offering carte blanche or a little spare noir budget to fund the fun wouldn't go amiss either !
Well something else to add to the "when I get time" pile. Hopefully they will release more information about it eventually, from a security point of view though really not good.

Back on topic though, the baby monitoring kit has a price of $199 (http://www.gizmag.com/mimo-baby-monitor-ces/30277/). That would put a upper limit on the cost of the unit at least.
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Re: Intel Edison: your thaughts???

Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:59 am

meltwater wrote: from a security point of view though really not good.
that (insecurity) list is getter longer day by day .
On the bright side i didn't spend the festivities under water . (i-sorry if you did that would realy suck)
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