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Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:26 pm

I'm mildly surprised no-one else has asked this yet, but anyway: is Arch/ARM ready for the new Pi yet?
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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:31 pm

tawalker wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:26 pm
I'm mildly surprised no-one else has asked this yet, but anyway: is Arch/ARM ready for the new Pi yet?

You would need to ask the Software Developers, it has nothing to do with RPF / RPT:

https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/
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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:25 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:31 pm
tawalker wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:26 pm
I'm mildly surprised no-one else has asked this yet, but anyway: is Arch/ARM ready for the new Pi yet?
You would need to ask the Software Developers, it has nothing to do with RPF / RPT:

https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/
I suspect the Arch category on this forum as with many others is for users to share, question and discuss things they are doing with Raspberry Pi. Anything directly to do with Raspberry Pi Foundation or Trading would better be addressed directly to those companies in private correspondence and not posted here.

I've recently moved a couple of my Intel-compatible computers over to an Arch-derived distribution. After many years of Debian and its approach of only packaging stable and sometimes rather old versions of software, it's quite exciting to use a rolling distribution constantly updated to new versions as they become available. While exciting isn't always good when it comes to operating systems, so far I've been impressed with the reliability.

Since Raspbian is intentionally designed to be reverse compatible in educational settings where SD cards are frequently swapped between computers by students, there is a growing need for a functional fully 64-bit Linux distribution for hobbyists and personal computing enthusiasts. As demonstrated by this Raspberry Pi Gentoo thread, it only requires one knowledgeable and dedicated developer to create a well functioning 64-bit image.

While I like the idea behind Gentoo, I find the advantages of custom compiled source to be outweighed by the convenience of a binary distribution. Although Arch seems like a reasonable compromise, a dedicated developer is needed make it work well and to interact with people here on this forum.

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:39 am

I came here to check yet if there was a Pi4 version.
Too early yet? Experts only?

Yep, Gentoo64 shows what one very skilled person can do to champion a particular OS.
While I play with Gentoo64, I need to get the 4B4 and USB storage for it to be my main OS on Pi's.
As you say, compiling from scratch each app takes time and SD card wear.
How fast can the Pi4 do it, rolling updates might be less painful?

The Debian stuff is quicker to install, it is safe and yet can be very outdated.
For RPF Mission a simple reliable OS is better.
What school IT person wants to have daily rolling updates ;)
It will be very interesting once Pi4 netbooting is working.

That Sway/Wayland stuff is interesting.
Is Arch the only one with it working?
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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:44 am

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:17 am

Is that 32 or 64bit?
It says rpi2, so I assume it is the old 32bit Pi2.

I like my image files so much easier to try different OS's.
Will PINN install it?
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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:08 pm

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:17 am
Will PINN install it?
I'm not in a position to test it or produce a new install for this at the moment.
But my quick look suggests it's an updated rpi2 version so maybe it would work. Maybe give it a go and report back? Just set the 'showall' cmdline option first to make it visible on a rpi4.
If it works I will make it installable for Pi4.
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PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:31 pm

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:17 am
Is that 32 or 64bit?
It says rpi2, so I assume it is the old 32bit Pi2.
The image is technically armv7h and it runs just fine.

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:55 pm

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:17 am
Is that 32 or 64bit?
It says rpi2, so I assume it is the old 32bit Pi2.

I like my image files so much easier to try different OS's.
Will PINN install it?
Just finished installing and testing it on the faint hope that it would be a 64 bit desktop I could use.

However, It's a gui-less arm7h environment. Tried pacman installin a random GUI and they all fail to install Mesa so it's uses seem very limited at the moment.

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:51 am

if use Pi4 then stay raspbian, they patches a lot for Pi4.
and Alarm not, e.g. chromium ffmpeg vlc and mesa..etc.

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:11 am

Whatever version is being used in Raspbian Buster, better stick to that or later.
Backporting sounds like too much work.
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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:22 pm

http://raspex.exton.se/?p=1214
32 bit "RaspArch is a “remaster” of Arch Linux ARM. The original compressed system is of 231 MB. After I have added the LXDE Desktop environment, Firefox, Yaourt, Pulseaudio and Gimp the system increased a lot. RaspArch is a “ready-to-go” ARM system. It can only run on a Raspberry Pi 4, Pi 3 Model 3, Pi 3 Model B+ or Raspberry Pi 2 Model B computer."
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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:04 pm

I would've thought they'd add aarch64 but nope, me sad.
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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:30 pm

FWIW, 32-bit ArchArm is running mostly fine on Pi4 as discussed in this overall thread, where my comments on trying it are covered in this thread on July 19:

https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopi ... =40#p61610

I didn't experiment with the camera module until today, and am hitting a problem with it:

https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopi ... =50#p61824

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:05 am

now had new image its own, but still armv7h kernel.

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wget http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-rpi-4-latest.tar.gz

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:51 am

cjan wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:05 am
now had new image its own, but still armv7h kernel.

Code: Select all

wget http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-rpi-4-latest.tar.gz
Yes, due to: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/is ... -522204095

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:24 pm

graysky wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:51 am
cjan wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:05 am
now had new image its own, but still armv7h kernel.

Code: Select all

wget http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-rpi-4-latest.tar.gz
Yes, due to: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/is ... -522204095
but, manjaro-arm had aarch64 image build for pi4 even gento64.

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:47 am

The Manjaro (Manjaro is based on Arch) ARM project have just released 64 bit versions for RPi4. There are 2 editions:

Minimal: https://manjaro.org/download/arm8-raspb ... 4-minimal/ (no desktop)
XFCE: https://manjaro.org/download/arm8-raspberry-pi-4-xfce/

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:04 pm

I prepared 2 sd-cards ,minimal version, and tested them on 2 pi4bs . None worked.

It could also be due to the supposed incompatibility of my TV and the 4b,
which I usually solve by first booting the pi3b and then switching the HDMI-cable

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:55 am

I got it working now on another TV.
Manjaro did not recognize the one TV correctly, (or vice versa) , same as with the
pi4B-raspbian booting cards.
However there I could solve it by booting from the pi3 and then switching the HDMI cable
to the pi4. This does not work with Manjaro. (no signal)
I didn't like all the password things - I mean, it's my little pi, noone else is using it, why do I
need passwords and complicated permissions ?
Then came the positive surprise : cfish [chess] compiled in ubuntu on the Odroid-N2 ran with 1850kn/s !
On the Odroid-N2 it had 2300kn/s, the default raspbian stockfish only gets 1050kn/s,
the optimized cfish-r3 compile from raspbian had 1300kn/s in raspbian but didn't run in Manjaro.
Then I did exactly the same thing again with another card but cfish didn't run.
I Copied cfish-o1 to the manjaro-card on a Llnux-PC
http://magictour.free.fr/cfish-o1
setoption name threads value 4
go infinite
...
quit

http://magictour.free.fr/cfish-r3

it's tedius ... they should sell the Manjaro-pi4B cards, installed with default parameters without passwords

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:48 am

hi , I made an archlinuxarm aarch64 images for raspberry pi 4, also support rpi 3B, 3B+, 3A. If you are interested, try it: https://github.com/hsxsix/archlinuxarm-aarch64-rpi

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:01 am

hsxsix wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:48 am
hi , I made an archlinuxarm aarch64 images for raspberry pi 4, also support rpi 3B, 3B+, 3A. If you are interested, try it: https://github.com/hsxsix/archlinuxarm-aarch64-rpi
i get an error there when trying to download :
404 Not Found
nginx/1.16.0

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:31 am

gsgs wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:01 am
hsxsix wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:48 am
hi , I made an archlinuxarm aarch64 images for raspberry pi 4, also support rpi 3B, 3B+, 3A. If you are interested, try it: https://github.com/hsxsix/archlinuxarm-aarch64-rpi
i get an error there when trying to download :
404 Not Found
nginx/1.16.0
Sorry... Now it's OK

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:44 am

MikeCross wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:47 am
The Manjaro (Manjaro is based on Arch) ARM project have just released 64 bit versions for RPi4. There are 2 editions:

Minimal: https://manjaro.org/download/arm8-raspb ... 4-minimal/ (no desktop)
XFCE: https://manjaro.org/download/arm8-raspberry-pi-4-xfce/
I set up a little Pi4 home server/download box with this + docker yesterday and all went relatively smoothly.

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Re: Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:40 pm

hsxsix wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:31 am
gsgs wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:01 am
hsxsix wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:48 am
hi , I made an archlinuxarm aarch64 images for raspberry pi 4, also support rpi 3B, 3B+, 3A. If you are interested, try it: https://github.com/hsxsix/archlinuxarm-aarch64-rpi
i get an error there when trying to download :
404 Not Found
nginx/1.16.0
Sorry... Now it's OK

I could download it and create the booting card.
It does not reconize my TV (or vice versa), same
as Manjaro. On another (older) TV it does boot
and displays some messages and stalls.. What then ?
Shall I type in some "login" and "password ?
Which ?

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