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Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:20 pm
by tzj
I"ve just read on the BBC news website that there"s a $10million (£6.5m) prize to reasershers that successfully create a real-life "tricoder".

This seems like an awesome project where the r-pi could be included, but what do you guys n gals think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech.....y-16518171

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:32 pm
by lworbey
Nice idea, I was slightly disappointed that the Tricorder sounds were not a requirement lol!

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:43 pm
by tzj
me too ^^

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:37 pm
by DBloke
Most upmarket phones already are like tricoders.

They do almost anything.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:48 pm
by tzj
only thing missing is the ability to check for diseases...

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:11 pm
by Svartalf
tzj said:


only thing missing is the ability to check for diseases...



Indeed.  Truthfully, you could use the R-Pi as the basis for an X-Prize type device; the main issue with it all is less the on-board main CPU (though it IS important...) and more the sensors that'll make or break the devices in question.

However, this DOES sound like an area to encourage more than just Computer Science education and study using the R-Pi to do it with. 

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:52 am
by Joules
I just about have a prototype working for acne detection.
"Beam me up spotty"


Oh God do I want a Pi to fill my time....

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:57 am
by grumpyoldgit
You can test whether the subject is alive by gluing a pin to the front. Press the Tricoder firmly against an area of soft tissue. If there is an audible response you can be confident that the subject is alive.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:59 am
by Joules
Sort of like a tricoder/taser....

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:02 am
by riffraff
$10M? Is that a medical tricorder or a science tricorder?

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:05 am
by Joules
Medical I believe. The taser part could be handy for both resuscitation and subduing the victim.... I MEAN PATIENT... ahem..

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:09 am
by tzj
To get the prize it needs to be capable of capturing "key health metrics and diagnosing a set of 15 diseases" so anything else is a bonus

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:37 am
by tzj
http://www.qualcommtricorderxprize.org/

for more details on the prizes goals.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:13 am
by Neon22
Weirdly there was a UK company called Tricorder in late 90's. Not sure if it still exists but they were seeking funding for using SLS (structured light scanning) to digitise 3D models using a device that looked a lot like a tricorder...

Looks like they didn't make it. Cool concept and design though...

Nowadays the David scanner is using SLS to good effect.

Not a tricorder though

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:28 am
by tzj
mmm... some kind of multi-layered SLS would be a good start for one of the sensors!

and that is indeed weird... may end up being a suprising competitor maybe.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:14 am
by Mezo


Mezo

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:19 am
by tzj
a great example of cross-fanbase representation

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:24 am
by tzj
*and forgot to mention, (apart from myself missing the "r") "picorder" sounds much better than tricorder.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:29 am
by Mezo
tzj said:


*and forgot to mention, (apart from myself missing the "r") "picorder" sounds much better than tricorder.



Plus it doesn't look so threatening as the Tricorder when your pointing it a Aliens (as they did) they would just assume they was being offered a nice juicy Raspberry.

Mezo.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:37 am
by tzj


saying that, ya just reminded me of this lol

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:25 am
by riffraff
Well, I assume that the limitations require that no invasive procedure is permitted, although it is theoretically possible to obtain a wealth of information from a single needle: blood pressure, oxygenation and glucose levels presence of certain antigens, toxins, cellular by-products, now even a DNA profile with a new AoC. Precise EEG and EKG measurements require physical contact.

With current technology, that leaves Doppler ultrasound, thermal imaging, pulse oximetry and theoretically some sort of point-source MR imaging or penetrating radar. There are also new odor sensing chips available that are being used to diagnose bacterial infections.

I think it's GE that now has the handheld ultrasound unit, but I'm sure that advances in SoC tech may take that further by using some sort of successive approximation algorithm to artificially enhance imagery. I've been trying to wrap my head around how a point-source MRI device would work, but I kinda wondered if the techniques used in the back-scatter x-ray devices currently in use for airport security would be helpful. What would be useful is a way to simultaneously combine the output of various sensory devices to obtain useful diagnostic images.

I just keep remembering one of those weird super-vivid dreams I had in 1979. I was an army medic and I was attending to a number of victims in triage and each one of them had a wireles-link vital signs monitor velcro-strapped to their forearm about the size of a modern day smart-phone that had a single-needle probe inserted into the cephalic vein.

Weird, especially for a high-schooler, but what's weirder is how quickly technology has progressed to the point where such a device is entirely feasible.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:24 am
by Mezo
Well it actually says, "minimally- or non-invasive"

So then you would need them to define "minimal" i guess?

"now hold on sir whilst i insert my Picorder up your ***e"

Mezo.

riFFraFF said:


Well, I assume that the limitations require that no invasive procedure is permitted.


Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:29 pm
by tzj
some have a fear of needles... just my luck there"s probably people afraid of being penetrated by waves -_-

anal probing sounds kinda alien to me...

but in all seriousness, I"ll check out the internets for more details on the sensors. the thing that"s puzzling me is which one(s) are safe for testicula and ovarian regions?

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:30 pm
by tzj
the NoC sounds promising.

another possible sensor could be one that detects and amplifies the bodies emf.

Re: Star trek-style 'tricoder' invention using an r-pi

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:22 pm
by Warringer
Getting a drop of blood should not be that hard, when I take a look at what diabetics do to get their blood sugar levels. Nick the skin, massage to get a drop of blood and then put it on a sensor.

While the hardware and the software would not be that much of a problem, getting a sensor for more then just blood sugar levels out of the blood is a challenge.

For a look into the body, ultrasound sounds like a good choice. You can take the heartbeat without much problems and take a look around for inner injuries.