Liberation through Computer Literacy

[Heater]

John_Spikowski,

ScriptBasic is written in C. How is expanding it in C a different language?

Because C is a different language to SB. ScriptBasic is a programming language is it not? C is a different one.

ScriptBasic has a syntax and semantics defined somewhere I presume. Even if it's only actually defined properly as being "what the interpreter understands".

C is a programming language. It too has a syntax and semantics, defined by the C standard document.

These are two totally different languages. If I feed SB source into the C compiler it ain't going to work. If I feed C source into the SB interpreter it ain't going to work.

It does not matter that SB is written in C. That is an implementation detail. Any programming language can be implemented in any other programming language. SB could as well be implemented in Swift or assembler.

Large parts of the Rust, Swift and other language compilers are written in C++. They use the LLVM compiler back end. Despite the ease with which we can use C from Rust or Swift we make a distinction between the Rust, Swift and C languages.

[John_Spikowski]

I don't use static languages. Too restrictive.

If I feed SB source into the C compiler it ain't going to work.

I compile with gcc SciptBasic code all the time to generate small executables. My Tatamix.sb script would produce an executable less than 25KB.

[Heater]

John_Spikowski,

I don't use static languages. Too restrictive.

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Yes you do. As far as I can tell you have written extensions in C, a static language, for all the challenge solutions.

Usually I might add to get around the restrictions in time and or space of ScriptBasic itself!

Besides, how is that relevant to the current discussion?

I compile with gcc SciptBasic code all the time to generate standalone executables.

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GCC is not C.

I use LLVM everyday when compiling Rust to generate standalone executables. That does not mean Rust is C++ or vice versa.

[John_Spikowski]

You don't use ScriptBasic nor do you know what you're talking about. I'm done explaining the obvious to you.

Smart people learn from everything and everyone. Average people from experiences. Stupid people have all the answers.

[Heater]

John_Spikowski,

You don't use ScriptBasic or do you know what you're talking about.

Oh for goodness sake. Now you are going go all ad hominem.

What I use or know about is not pertinent to the question. Even if I used nothing and knew nothing it would not make the ScriptBasic language = the C language. No more than it would make the world flat or the man on the Apollo moon landing fake.

You now seem to be arguing that ScripBasic is in fact C.

OK, let's go with that. All so called "ScriptBasic" challenge solutions should be regarded as C solutions. And judged accordingly.

I think the difficulty here is I am talking about languages. Their definitions, syntax, semantics. You are talking about implementations as if that was the same thing. They are not. As I said by way of an example, GCC is not C.

[John_Spikowski]

As I said by way of an example, GCC is not C.

If you don't like gcc, any other C compiler will do.

[Heater]

Code: Select all

$ cat hello.sb
print "HELLO WORLD"

$ gcc hello.sb
/usr/bin/ld:hello.sb: file format not recognized; treating as linker script
/usr/bin/ld:hello.sb:1: syntax error
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
$ mv hello.sb hello.c
$ gcc hello.c
hello.c:1:7: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before string constant
 print "HELLO WORLD"
       ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
$
$ gcc hello.c
hello.c:1:7: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before string constant
 print "HELLO WORLD"
       ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
michael@monster:/mnt/c/Users/michael/tatami_rust$ clang hello.c
hello.c:1:1: error: unknown type name 'print'
print "HELLO WORLD"
^
hello.c:1:7: error: expected identifier or '('
print "HELLO WORLD"
      ^
2 errors generated.

Nope. Does not work

[Heater]

But "any other C compiler" is not C either.

[John_Spikowski]

Nope. Does not work

Works for me.

[Heater]

Yes, but you have a compiler for a different language

[John_Spikowski]

I use gcc to compile everything having to do with ScriptBasic.

[Heater]

"Basil Fawlty : It doesn't matter. Look, it doesn't matter. Oh, I can spend the rest of my life having this conversation. Now, please, please, try to understand before one of us dies.

Manuel : I try."

[John_Spikowski]

Do you dislike any language starting with a S?

ScriptBasic
Swift
Spikowski
...

[rpdom]

Do you dislike any language starting with a S?

ScriptBasic
Swift
Spikowski
...

Spanish?

[jamesh]

Idiots, the lot of you. You just cannot help yourselves.

Have a closed thread and some demerits.

Edit: Have been pointed at this https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat which just about sums up the last two pages of sad language wars.