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Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:23 am

Jessie's certificate handling is broken. If a root cert. is withdrawn, Jessie fails instead of checking alternative root certs. This can be worked around by people with expertise, but for muggles like me, it means, e.g. that I can't enlist my new Pi 3 at Einstein@Home. Please fix.

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:56 am

Foundation: Are you listening? The Debian custodian should be taken aside for a serious chat.

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:12 pm

is this foundation or debian problem ?
have you put in a bug report ?
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:35 am

It's not my problem, that's for sure. All of the WiFi problems, well documented on this and other sites, and now this. I'm on the verge of chucking my Pi 3 and going elsewhere.

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:36 am

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:03 am

Yeah, ok.

Quoting from "makezine": "We also ran into one problem with the onboard Wi-Fi that only occurred whilst running the new board in headless mode. This ended up being caused by a power-saving mode on the connectivity chip. Effectively the board became unresponsive in headless mode if it was connected to the network only via Wi-Fi." Ah-ha.

So: Now we have a Pi 3 rated at 5.1V (!), a Pi 3 that dies when running Linpack, a Pi 3 that dies in headless mode when running WiFi only, and a Pi 3 running a Jessie disto that can't process certificates properly.

I would use the term "under-cooked" except that the Linpack results suggest a modicum of "over-cooking". Haste makes waste.

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:41 pm

That is off topic. If all you are going to do is 'pi bash' quotes from other sources then perhaps you should post them elsewhere.

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:21 am

Hardly. This is how I found out why my Pi 3 was apparently crashing. It's amazing how quickly good will evapoates when people go on wild goose chases after problems that turn out to be in the product, not in their use of it. The Foundation should (a) enumerate the known major problems and the time frames for remediation, and (b) issue a very public apology for the amount of people's time that has been wasted.

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:33 am

NeilAlexanderHiggins wrote:Hardly. This is how I found out why my Pi 3 was apparently crashing. It's amazing how quickly good will evapoates when people go on wild goose chases after problems that turn out to be in the product, not in their use of it. The Foundation should (a) enumerate the known major problems and the time frames for remediation, and (b) issue a very public apology for the amount of people's time that has been wasted.
You should immediately stop using computers (any kind). You don't seem to know that
1) There's no software without undetected bugs.
2) There's no OS without (at least) tens of thousands undetected bugs.
3) Tens of thousands of developers (if you count all packages) are involved in a system like Debian/Raspbian, most of them in their spare time.

The Foundation is only responsible for a very small part of the software system (firmware, a few drivers, kernel settings, a small number of packages from their local archive which replace Raspbian packages).
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:39 am

The problem with amateur organisations is that don't even know what bugs and limitations are inherent in their products, let alone have a plan to address them. Eben's best effort in respect of the WiFi bug (and why would you add WiFi as an alternative to wired unless you intend that people will use it) is that the problem will be addressed "eventually." Woo-hoo!

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:03 am

NeilAlexanderHiggins wrote:The problem with amateur organisations is that don't even know what bugs and limitations are inherent in their products, let alone have a plan to address them. Eben's best effort in respect of the WiFi bug (and why would you add WiFi as an alternative to wired unless you intend that people will use it) is that the problem will be addressed "eventually." Woo-hoo!
The problem with amateur people like you is that they do not know what they are talking about. Did you ever provide something useful to the community?
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:10 am

"kweb - slim and fast" - that's paid (professional) advertising, is it?

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:14 am

NeilAlexanderHiggins wrote:"kweb - slim and fast" - that's paid (professional) advertising, is it?
Kweb is open-source :?
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:17 am

NeilAlexanderHiggins wrote:Jessie's certificate handling is broken. If a root cert. is withdrawn, Jessie fails instead of checking alternative root certs. This can be worked around by people with expertise, but for muggles like me, it means, e.g. that I can't enlist my new Pi 3 at Einstein@Home. Please fix.
Have you update & dist-upgrade Jessie ?

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:24 am

No matches to "certificate"

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:46 pm

I still don't understand the problem ? Which root certificate
store are you talking about ? Iceweasels ?

Do you have all updates installed (a WiFi problem was
recently fixed ) . Are you running Raspbian
Jessie ?


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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:47 pm

NeilAlexanderHiggins wrote:The problem with amateur organisations is that don't even know what bugs and limitations are inherent in their products, let alone have a plan to address them. Eben's best effort in respect of the WiFi bug (and why would you add WiFi as an alternative to wired unless you intend that people will use it) is that the problem will be addressed "eventually." Woo-hoo!
Can you stop using some of those aromatic materials you're smoking? They're clearly addling your brain and turning your thoughts into complete balderdash and poppycock.

The RPF isn't amateur, you can't sell 8 million computers without some level of professionalism. Eben and his team are a highly skilled group of engineers who've started to change the world of computing in their first four years.

There's always bugs in software (fixing them has paid my mortgage off).

Your mythical WiFi bug is solved with the 4.1.20 (and experimental 4.4.6) kernel and firmware.
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:14 am

NeilAlexanderHiggins wrote:"kweb - slim and fast" - that's paid (professional) advertising, is it?
Who's getting paid for what?
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:23 pm

I too am a fan of Einstein@home (user Muskoka https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/top_users ... t&offset=0).
I tried both Raspbian and Ubuntu MATE - same problem. I'll just wait for a fix.
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:15 am

Does anybody (who knows what they are talking about) know if this is fixed yet?

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:21 am

NeilAlexanderHiggins wrote:Does anybody (who knows what they are talking about) know if this is fixed yet?
Thought you had given up and chucked the Raspberry Pi 3B viewtopic.php?f=28&t=140036#p929429
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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:27 am

Nobody has any idea what you are talking about.
Its good that the Einstein@Home folks know that something
is wrong with Raspbian. What i don't understand why they
don't try to issue a proper bugreport so that people can
actually do something about it.

Try to contact forum members "plugwash" and "ShiftPlusOne".
You would be advised to have some (any) useful details and
instructions for reproduction of the issue ready which
you have been omitting from this public thread.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian
https://github.com/RPi-Distro/repo/issues


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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:27 am

Ah! Good to see that the fanboys are following up their old "conquests". Feeling better now?

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:49 am

I suppose the issue is the one discussed here: https://einsteinathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=11760

It was reported to Debian and eventually fixed: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo ... =812708#15

It was also reported to Raspbian, but that was not really necessary because Debian fixes are usually adopted automatically: https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1538821

apt-get should pull the latest package, openssl 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2, so there is no need for the Foundation to update anything.

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Re: Problem with Certificates in Jessie

Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:35 pm

If it doesn't work on Jessie try running E@H on Ubuntu MATE.
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