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Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Wed May 20, 2015 10:25 am

Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?
RTL MS Windows 10 will be free for Pi2?

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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Wed May 20, 2015 10:36 am

erfan8000 wrote:Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?
RTL MS Windows 10 will be free for Pi2?
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=108914


This is not Windows 10 Desktop it is an "Internet of Things" Developer Edition and is free if you agree to the Microsoft T&C's

http://ms-iot.github.io/content/GetStarted.htm
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Wed May 20, 2015 11:06 am

fruitoftheloom wrote: viewtopic.php?f=105&t=108914


This is not Windows 10 Desktop it is an "Internet of Things" Developer Edition and is free if you agree to the Microsoft T&C's

http://ms-iot.github.io/content/GetStarted.htm
It's free as in zero cost. It's not free as in what you can do with it.
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Wed May 20, 2015 8:09 pm

Windows 10 IoT Core should be free for non-commercial use. So if you’re building a home project as a Maker you should be all set.

If you eventually want to build your own device and sell it, then there might be a licensing fee associated with using the OS. I don’t have any specifics on this and to be clear this is just my understanding at the moment and not a formal statement from Microsoft itself.
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Wed May 20, 2015 8:36 pm

jtanner_msft wrote:Windows 10 IoT Core should be free for non-commercial use. So if you’re building a home project as a Maker you should be all set.

If you eventually want to build your own device and sell it, then there might be a licensing fee associated with using the OS. I don’t have any specifics on this and to be clear this is just my understanding at the moment and not a formal statement from Microsoft itself.
Jtanner if an IoT device is created will it need a Windows 10 PC to communicate with / administer the device ??
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Wed May 20, 2015 10:10 pm

You can connect to a device over a remote powershell connection, or via a web browser using http://<ip address>

Is it a requirement for all Windows 10 IoT Core devices? No.

Some designs might benefit from having a PC involved, so it really depends if that's how you want to administer the devices.

As for updates, the exact details are being worked out but I do not expect you'd have to connect a device to a PC to apply updates but some of this will also be up to the OEMs as they build / design the device. More of this will be clarified further as we get to release.

I hope this helps.
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Thu May 21, 2015 2:37 am

There is also ssh: (list of ports being listened on as well)

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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 10:09 am

I just tried to launch the Windows_IoT_Core_RPI2_BUILD installer supplied by Microsoft. It requires Microsoft Visual Studio Ultimate, Premium or Pro to run it. "Express" version is expressly excluded. So, do I you to spend $1199 to join this program?

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Thu May 21, 2015 10:46 am

edCranium wrote:I just tried to launch the Windows_IoT_Core_RPI2_BUILD installer supplied by Microsoft. It requires Microsoft Visual Studio Ultimate, Premium or Pro to run it. "Express" version is expressly excluded. So, do I you to spend $1199 to join this program?
https://dev.windows.com/en-us/iot

The link to the software is on this web page, under the Get Started section
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 10:54 am

Thank you very much.

Typical :)

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Thu May 21, 2015 10:57 am

edCranium wrote:Thank you very much.

Typical :)
The web site has some strange navigation but given a day it is feasible to get everything up and running :D
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 6:08 pm

Also it’s my understanding that development for Windows 10 IoT Core will be supported / available as part of VS 2015 Community Edition, which will be free. (Kind of a replacement for the individual express editions). So no price barrier to entry even at RTM.
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 8:02 pm

jtanner_msft,

I have a PC here with no operating system on it at all.

What is the minimum I need to install on that PC in order to be able to run the tools required to install Windows 10 IoT on my Raspberry Pi(s)?

How much will it cost me?

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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 8:26 pm

Hi Heater,

At the moment to start developing for Windows 10 IoT Core on a ‘blank’ PC you would want to follow the steps listed here:
http://ms-iot.github.io/content/win10/SetupPC.htm

Since the OS and all tools are currently technical previews there is no cost to use them currently.

After RTM, then the only part that I believe you might need to purchase would be a copy of Windows 10 for your desktop system. Please note however that if you currently own Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 then the upgrade to Windows 10 should be free during that first year. You might also be able to use those existing versions, but not all of the development features would continue to be available.

The VS 2015 Community Edition should be free, and using and developing for Windows IoT Core is free for non-commercial use.

I hope that helps.
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 10:36 pm

jtanner_msft wrote:Hi Heater,

(snipped)

The VS 2015 Community Edition should be free, and using and developing for Windows IoT Core is free for non-commercial use.

I hope that helps.
VS2015CE is also free for non-enterprise companies up to 5 employees, and in enterprise companies < 250 ppl/, < $1M in revenue.: https://www.visualstudio.com/products/v ... mmunity-vs

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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 10:53 pm

jtanner_msft,

Thank you.

What might the cost be after the technical previews period? I realize this may not be exactly known at this time.

I have no Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 here so that helps little.

When I ship a product with Windows 10 IoT as it's OS, then what?

Sorry for niggling, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the "free" idea.
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Thu May 21, 2015 11:20 pm

Hi Heater,

Looking on Amazon.com it appears that you can purchase a new version of Windows 8.1 for around $115.00 US as of today. Other than the upgrade being free from existing versions I am not aware of what the pricing will be for Windows 10 when it is released. That should be announced in the next few months.

If you are going to use Windows 10 IoT Core for yourself for non-commercial use then it is free to use. If you intend to create a product and ship hundreds or thousands of units then you should contact Microsoft to discuss pricing. I don’t know what the price range might be, it could continue to be free or there might be a nominal charge of a few dollars per runtime.

I hope that helps.
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Fri May 22, 2015 11:10 am

jtanner_msft,


OK, Thanks.

Seems I need $120 to get started with Windows 10 IoT. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msu ... .288401200

I cannot justify that cost for developing for the Pi, especially as solutions are expected to be movable to the plethora of other such similar boards which I guess are not supported.

(Sorry, I just noticed I typed "giggling" instead of "niggling" in my previous post.)

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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Fri May 22, 2015 12:34 pm

Heater wrote:jtanner_msft,


OK, Thanks.

Seems I need $120 to get started with Windows 10 IoT. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msu ... .288401200

I cannot justify that cost for developing for the Pi, especially as solutions are expected to be movable to the plethora of other such similar boards which I guess are not supported.

(Sorry, I just noticed I typed "giggling" instead of "niggling" in my previous post.)
I have purchased Windows 7 Professional for £30.00 UK on ebay, though read the description carefully.....

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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Fri May 22, 2015 1:13 pm

Isn't Windows 7 obsolete.

If I'm going to buy an OS I'd rather get it from the creators rather than some unknown traders market stall in a back ally.

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Fri May 22, 2015 1:30 pm

Heater wrote:Isn't Windows 7 obsolete.

If I'm going to buy an OS I'd rather get it from the creators rather than some unknown traders market stall in a back ally.
Windows 7 is still supported and will be until Jan 2020 ;)

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/lifecycle

Windows 10 will be a "free" upgrade from Windows 7 :D

I have bough several Microsoft OSes from ebay and never had issues, if it works who cares :roll:
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Fri May 22, 2015 2:05 pm

Where/how do I buy Windows 7 from Microsoft ? As far as I know it is not possible.

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Fri May 22, 2015 2:17 pm

Heater wrote:Where/how do I buy Windows 7 from Microsoft ? As far as I know it is not possible.
Microsoft no longer sell Windows 7 only Windows 8.1, there are many Vendors who do sell New Old Stock like Amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windo ... B00GOUBT6E
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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Sat May 23, 2015 7:44 am

Thanks for the input everybody.

Seems the answer to the opening posters question "Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?" is no.

To get into this I need in the order of a hundred dollars for the host operating system. Luckily I have a spare PC for this adventure else I'd need a few hundred more dollars for that.

As for the target Raspberry Pi there are unknown costs and restrictions involved in selling it on on otherwise distributing products based on it. Or even just giving it away.

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Re: Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?

Sat May 23, 2015 8:26 am

Heater wrote:Thanks for the input everybody.

Seems the answer to the opening posters question "Is It free M.S. Windows 10 for RB Pi 2 ?" is no.

To get into this I need in the order of a hundred dollars for the host operating system. Luckily I have a spare PC for this adventure else I'd need a few hundred more dollars for that.

As for the target Raspberry Pi there are unknown costs and restrictions involved in selling it on on otherwise distributing products based on it. Or even just giving it away.
Easy answer is to not use Windows Core for an IoT device :D
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