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Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:36 pm
by electronicsguy
mahjongg wrote:
When we run a program on a computer, don't we instruct the OS to make a copy of the program in the local memory, and then copies of individual parts of the program (instructions) onto the CPU. Isn't that technically going against the licence
Tell that to the judge, and see how good an argument he thinks it is for ignoring "you may not make more copies of the software than specified in this agreement.".... :roll:
Well the court will ask 'experts' to give their opinion and if its you and me, maybe we'll say its BS. But maybe some expert may concur with the idea that technically its breaking the contract. I wonder if its ever been tested in court...

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:15 pm
by r4049zt
[SNIP]
I've deleted this unnecessary post which has nothing to do with the thread subject matter.
Please play nice......
Texy

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:43 pm
by andyburness
Hi all,

I found this PowerPoint slide from the Microsoft build site:
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/2-652
http://video.ch9.ms/sessions/build/2015/2-652.pptx

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The session on Internet of Things which these slides are from starts in about 30 minutes, right now (about 00:30 UK time) the live stream just finished showing a .NET 2015 session (Jay Schmelzer did briefly mention Rapsberry Pi and Xbox One as platforms where .net apps could run) There's also this session which starts at 03:30 UK time "Windows for Makers: Raspberry Pi 2, Arduino and More" http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2 ... tedsession. Hopefully they would make "Windows 10 IoT Core" preview download available shortly after that session ends... I need to go to bed now but I'll check this again when I get to work tomorrow!

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I assume this means that a Raspberry Pi running Win10 IoT Core would be a very stripped down version of Windows which only has one Universal App deployed to it? "No shell or MS apps" is interesting - maybe this just means there will be no start screen, control panel etc (of course no desktop) but there would still be a graphical interface of some sort? By which I mean, keyboard, mouse, accelerated graphics, enough to be able to use a graphical Universal App.

About licensing... I suspect it would not be allowed for someone to build and redistribute an SD card image of the preview or release versions of Win10 IoT Core for free on the internet. Obviously companies who are building products using a Raspberry Pi would license Win10 from Microsoft. For people who just want to play with it at home "for evaluation purposes" and so on, I'm sure there will continue to be free evaluation versions of Visual Studio with everything needed to build their own Win10 IoT Core image for the Raspberry Pi - the same like VS2008 and Windows Embedded Compact 7 are available.

I'll post more when I know more - what do you think?

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:05 am
by jeznav
Has any managed to flash the Windows 10 IoT core image for RPi 2? I don't have my RPi2 yet, but I got the image from Microsoft Connect.

Update: One of my twitter follower posted some screenshots:
https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/sta ... 4129760256
https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/sta ... 2297013248

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:15 am
by fruitoftheloom
http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/04/30/ ... wboard-max

So one needs a PC with Windows 10 Preview installed, so basically despite the hype the RPi is as many have said, me included, is being used as a test bed for Windows 10 ARM Apps. Yep cross-platform development.

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:52 am
by OttovanZanten
Can you guys actually download the Pi2 Win10 Zip file?
I saw a link to it, but the page to which I got referred didn't actually have the file.

Also is it really necessary to install W10 on my desktop in order to install it on the Pi?
For me that's a no-go.

( This is the link I meant. I can filter on All, Build and Document, but none of the options actually gives me a download http://connect.microsoft.com/windowsemb ... Downloads/ )

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:00 am
by fruitoftheloom
OttovanZanten wrote:Can you guys actually download the Pi2 Win10 Zip file?
I saw a link to it, but the page to which I got referred didn't actually have the file.

Also is it really necessary to install W10 on my desktop in order to install it on the Pi?
For me that's a no-go.

( This is the link I meant. I can filter on All, Build and Document, but none of the options actually gives me a download http://connect.microsoft.com/windowsemb ... Downloads/ )
You have to sign up for the download afaiaa

https://dev.windows.com/en-US/iot/RaspberryPi2Support

http://ms-iot.github.io/content/GetStarted.htm

Yes you need Windows 10 preview installed natively on a x86 Laptop / PC so it can communicate with the Raspberry Pi as the Raspberry Pi is controlled by the Windows machine.

Please be aware this version of Windows 10 is for development of Microsoft Cross Platform Apps.......

The link you posted is in relation to Windows Embedded which is different to W10 IoT ;)

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:47 am
by Jednorozec
DougieLawson wrote:
Jednorozec wrote:
DougieLawson wrote:Whatever registration system Microsoft have used for their Raspberry Pi stuff it appears they're holding the SQL server database for it on /dev/null.
Does SQL Server have a /dev/null?
DOS does have a NULL: device (cf COM1:, COM3:, etc.)
It's been so long since I've done any DOS programming that I forgot about that.

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:00 am
by Heater
fruitoftheloom,
Microsoft Cross Platform Apps.
That is a contradiction in terms is it not?

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:07 am
by fruitoftheloom
Heater wrote:fruitoftheloom,
Microsoft Cross Platform Apps.
That is a contradiction in terms is it not?
Not at all, Microsoft want Apps Developed which have the same look and feel and features, without the End User worrying whether they are using a Windows 10 ARM Phone or a x86 Tablet / PC / Laptop as well as XBox...

http://www.computerworld.com/article/28 ... liver.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2893412/ ... opers.html

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:13 pm
by pranishk
For folks who signed up for the program and haven't received an email update, we apologize. We are working to fix our email system and you will be receiving an update from us shortly (highlighting the release of Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2). We've been trying to limit our email communication until we have new information (good feedback that we've probably been too quiet).

Now we have our first release out we will be regularly updating the bits (approximately monthly) expect to see more communication from us.

Pranish Kumar (pranishk@microsoft.com)
Microsoft Corporation

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:37 pm
by headamage
DougieLawson wrote:
tohipfortheroom wrote:Does anyone know where I could find a Board Source Package or a BSP For short, I'm just stuck on this it has to be for the raspberry pi 2 obviously
Has nobody explained to you that Windows 10 on the Raspberry Pi is still completely vapourware?

It was announced with a massive fanfare on 2nd Feb and nearly three months later there's nothing, nada, diddly squat, sweetFA, the square root of b**ger all that has emerged from Redmond, WA for the Raspberry Pi.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/windows-10- ... ign=buffer

:lol:

They see MS rollin' they hatin'

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:02 pm
by eriktheitalian
x86 pc selling numbers are not good. Worst for last 6 years or more...
Microsoft need new platforms. But important piece of linux users not need them...

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:36 pm
by Heater
fruitoftheloom,
Not at all, Microsoft want Apps Developed which have the same look and feel and features, without the End User worrying whether they are using a Windows 10 ARM Phone or a x86 Tablet / PC / Laptop as well as XBox...
So you agree. Not cross-platform at all.

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:48 pm
by fruitoftheloom
Heater wrote:fruitoftheloom,
Not at all, Microsoft want Apps Developed which have the same look and feel and features, without the End User worrying whether they are using a Windows 10 ARM Phone or a x86 Tablet / PC / Laptop as well as XBox...
So you agree. Not cross-platform at all.
Obviously we have a different of opinion of what cross-platform Apps are.....

To me an App which checks architecture and then installs relevant libraries etcetera is Cross-Platform ;)

Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:06 pm
by NizZ8
FYI, there is built in webserver once you get Win 10 IoT installed on the Pi, here is a sample snapshot of the AppX manager UI

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Re: Windows Ten Build

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:15 pm
by Jednorozec
pranishk wrote:For folks who signed up for the program and haven't received an email update, we apologize. We are working to fix our email system and you will be receiving an update from us shortly (highlighting the release of Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2). We've been trying to limit our email communication until we have new information (good feedback that we've probably been too quiet).

Now we have our first release out we will be regularly updating the bits (approximately monthly) expect to see more communication from us.

Pranish Kumar (pranishk@microsoft.com)
Microsoft Corporation
The only email that I've ever received is the acknowledgement of the sign-up.