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by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:23 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>liz said: <br/> <br/> <br/> TBH, @mgmt_idiot, I'm afraid it's your posts which are making things in this thread uncomfortable. I've read the whole thing and can see a lot of people trying to help you out here, and a big bundle of attitude coming from you which is coming across as flame-baity (the...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:09 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

JamesH said:


As a PHB, he should just get his underlings to work it all out for him.


Part of the point is maintaining skills to hold the underlings to account
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:04 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>You've spent many posts in this forum (incorrectly) analysing my motives and psychology. Since the Admins seem disinclined to take action to ensure reasonable decorum, I think I'll return some of the favour, and disregard CJ Cregg's advice for a moment.<br/> <br/> Joe Schmoe said: <br/> <br/> <br...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:36 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>Grumpyoldgit said: <br/> <br/> <br/> We've been over this point ad infinitim for the last couple of days. I think it's time the thread was closed.<br/> <br/> <br/> I agree. Though I would say ad nauseam.<br/> <br/> The whole thing reminds me of The West Wing episode "The US Poet Laureate" where C...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:11 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>I thought it was obvious that I am the PHB   Apart from the pointy hair and bald patch - I'm assuming this was the Dilbert reference.<br/> <br/> I think I've made my point on this topic often enough. So I'll attempt to conclude with:<br/> <br/> User familiarity by analogy. If you guys don't accep...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:07 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>Joe Schmoe said: <br/> <br/> <br/> I think that asking for a CD/DVD-install version of Linux for the Pi is pretty much exactly the same thing as asking for Windows on the Pi.  It just doesn't exist.  It may at some future time, but it just isn't on anyone's radar at the moment.<br/> <br/> I mean,...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:58 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

Sorry, I've run a search and had a look around, but I can't find the dd commands that someone posted in one of the threads. Hopefully someone else will help by providing that reference.
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:51 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>csisek said: <br/> <br/> <br/> You have not read the beginning of the message??<br/> <br/> <br/> Apologies that my reply was unclear. I will use other words:<br/> <br/> I was saying to JamesH that many people will have used iso downloads in the past for other Linux installations. It is what many ...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:08 am
Forum: Pidora / Fedora
Topic: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi
Replies: 266
Views: 119320

Re: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi

<t>bsimpson888 said: <br/> <br/> <br/> If you want to stay really secure, you have to compile the packages yourself anyway or live with the danger.<br/> <br/> <br/> I think the idea that by compiling yourself, you're staying secure is a bit of Bruce Schneier's security snake oil metaphor. You would ...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:00 am
Forum: Pidora / Fedora
Topic: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi
Replies: 266
Views: 119320

Re: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi

<t>LackThereof said: <br/> <br/> <br/> A few more months down the road (probably before the "educational release" of the model A), we'll have F18, which will be current and actively maintained.<br/> <br/> If you aren't comfortable running an out-of-date, unmaintained OS, hold off until F17/18 are re...
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:43 am
Forum: Pidora / Fedora
Topic: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi
Replies: 266
Views: 119320

Re: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi

slacer said:


Security is more than just a collection of all current patches - it is required that YOU know and understand the risk.


Agreed, but we still need the current patches too.
by mgmt_idiot
Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:39 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>JamesH said: <br/> <br/> <br/> To be honest, it had never occurred to me that people might want an install  disk.<br/> <br/> <br/> csisek said: <br/> <br/> <br/> I downloaded Debian image, uncompress this file and for my surprise not is a ISO image.<br/> <br/> <br/> I'm sure you can all check tha...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:59 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>@ Chris Rowland<br/> <br/> The Virtual Box should keep it isolated. Never used it myself, but I've done plenty of xen virtual machines.<br/> <br/> Equally, I've never used debian or its installation manager, I've used Red Hat / CentOS / Fedora, but what's probably happening is that the package ma...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:46 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

It's a nice thought, but I'm kinda locked into Fedora because of its background and relationship with Red Hat, CentOS (Red Hat de-branded), and its association with particular govt institutions.
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:38 pm
Forum: Pidora / Fedora
Topic: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi
Replies: 266
Views: 119320

Re: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi

<t>Well, one simple education focussed scenario is going to be that I'm going to have my dad buy a RasPi, set up port forwarding on his router so that I can ssh to help him, and use iptables to restrict inbounds to my own IP. I wouldn't fancy doing that until F17 is out. I'll then use the RasPi to t...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:43 pm
Forum: Pidora / Fedora
Topic: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi
Replies: 266
Views: 119320

Re: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi

<t>To mis-quote the (in)famous Zaphod Beeblebrox:<br/> <br/> <br/> If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> If there's anyone around here more focussed on security than me, I want them caught and given a medal.<br/> <br/> <br/...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:27 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>nmcc said: <br/> <br/> <br/> I for one would be interested in building the OS from scratch on Raspi to act as a server - hopefully you can help lead the way ...<br/> <br/> <br/> Errr... Eeek! ...<br/> <br/> Well... I've never done that before. I tend to focus on implementation rather than develop...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:09 pm
Forum: Pidora / Fedora
Topic: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi
Replies: 266
Views: 119320

Re: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi

<t>I'm kind of planning to use F14 for trying things out and experimenting, but I'm not going to expose a RasPi to possible attack until May when F17 is out, which I'm guessing will have the security updates since it will be current.<br/> <br/> From Chris Tyler's post 35 further up this page, I thin...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:37 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>Well, I go off for a few hours to sort out some other things, and the forum seems to descend into personal attacks from at least 2 posters.<br/> <br/> Thanks to Liz and Cylon (are you the missing type 7? ) for adding some balance on this topic. And thanks to those posters who are genuinely engagi...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:19 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>One of the things that's attracted me to the RasPi, where devices like SheevaPlug and similar have just stayed on my "yes, well, eventually, maybe, probably not" list, is that I don't have to start off in headless configuration - I can pull the monitor and keyboard out later.<br/> <br/> Frankly t...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:05 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

I agree with Joe, I think one or two lines in the FAQ could have prevented this whole discussion.
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:55 pm
Forum: Pidora / Fedora
Topic: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi
Replies: 266
Views: 119320

Re: Fedora ARM on Raspberry Pi

<r>From discussions on another thread<br/> <br/> <URL url="http://www.raspberrypi.org/for.....ide/page-3">http://www.raspberrypi.org/for.....ide/page-3</URL><br/> <br/> It seems that what we're getting is a clone of an already installed F14, rather than a version of this:<br/> <br/> http://archive.f...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:46 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>JamesH said: <br/> <br/> <br/> That leaves rolling your own distro, or using the standard install, removing everything you don't want, setting up all your security etc. Then dd'ing a copy of the SD to backup and using that for future devices.<br/> <br/> <br/> I think rolling my own is a bit beyon...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:31 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<t>I don't object to the fact that the distros had to be customised. I can see why that would be necessary.<br/> <br/> But as far as I can tell, it looks like we're not getting any distros. It looks like we're getting a few copies of someone else's system where each copy had a different distro insta...
by mgmt_idiot
Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:13 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: step by step guide?
Replies: 91
Views: 13659

Re: step by step guide?

<r>I just lost my previous version of this post to the 500 error <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> What’s attractive about Fedora is that it’s clearly linked to Red Hat. Red Hat is clearly linked to the NSA and US Military. Hugh Shelton is the chairman.<br/> <br/> <URL url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H........

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